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Safe Realistic Flow Battery

08/31/2015 10:41 AM

these guys are starting to sell a scalable flow battery. the applications are many. these are especially well suited for solar, wind, etc. I haven't seen prices yet but its a basic redux design. they should be able to sell a zillion of these in Calif because the law mandates the utilities to not just rely on, "on demand" power generation.

http://www.viznenergy.com/vizn-energy-systems-2mw-zinc-iron-redox-flow-battery-system-selected-by-hecate-energy-for-ontario-ieso-project/

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08/31/2015 1:46 PM

"Redox" (reduction-oxidation) not "redux."

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08/31/2015 1:48 PM

true

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08/31/2015 5:17 PM

Now if Elon could use this technology in the Teslas the recharge would be as simple as emptying the tanks and refilling them instead of relying on those nasty utilities burning coal, oil, and gas...oh wait, this technology uses electricity to regenerate (recharge if you will) the recovered fluid for the next customer...never mind...

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08/31/2015 5:45 PM

So hard to get away from fossil fuels. Only nuclear and solar offer any alternative - and both have constraints and limits.

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08/31/2015 11:26 PM

...oh, and Wind and Tidal and Geothermal.

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09/01/2015 10:34 AM

All of the sources mentioned in posts 4 & 5 are really nuclear.

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09/02/2015 10:20 AM

Well, if you go back far enough in the production chain, ALL energy in nuclear, as it either comes from fusion (stars) or fission (decaying isotopes).

Coal? Comes from fossil plant matter. Plants get their energy from Solar Power, Solar Power is from the Sun. Sun is a star so Coal is Nuclear.

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09/02/2015 11:12 AM

Correct!

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09/02/2015 12:50 PM

Does anyone remember the name of that law which says that it's impossible to tell if an extreme or hyperbolic statement is genuine or satire? I think I just fell victim to it.

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09/02/2015 5:08 PM

Am I missing something here? What is extreme or exaggerated about my saying you were correct, or about your saying that coal is essentially stored solar energy?

These are simple facts!

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09/03/2015 9:44 AM

Those are facts, but stating 'everything is really nuclear energy' obscures the point of the current thread, looking at methods of energy generation/storage, where 'energy' refers to 'usable electricity,' and we only look back one step for the energy source, to determine environmental impact.

Coal/wood/oil/gas are burned to release their stored energy as heat, and each produce byproducts from the combustion, and/or release other materials that were 'sequestered' in them, such as burning coal releasing radon gas (if memory serves). The head from the combustion is used to run turbines to generate electricity.

'Nuclear power' as used in terrestrial energy generation, refers to using the 'waste heat' from radioactive decay to run the turbines.

Geothermal uses the heat differential within the planet's crust for energy. This internal heat is not just from radioactive decay, but also from friction forces (continental drift, etc) and the residual heat from the planet's formation.

Wind Power is not only from the 'heat engine' in the atmosphere, but also from the diferential speeds of the air, as higher layers rotate slower than the lower layers, or the surface of the planet.

Tidal power comes mainly from the gravatational interaction between the earth and Moon, and not from the 'heat engine' in the oceans.

There are side effects of using every energy source, for example, pulling energy out of the tides will affect the balance between the earth and moon, although, even if we were to extract 100% of the tidal energy from the oceans, it would be like pulling a single snowflake from Mount Everest: The latter is not diminished in any measurable way from the removal.

And this offshoot is going SO FAR off topic with this discussion about what is, in essesne, splitting hairs, that I'm going to stop right here.

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09/02/2015 5:55 PM

That might be Nathan Poe's law--you can't tell a fundamentalist parody from the genuine article.

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09/03/2015 9:22 AM

That's it, thank you.

For some reason I kept thinking Godwin's law, but nobody's brought up Nazi's yet.

Crap, I just did.

Wait, the law talks about COMPARING someone or something to Nazis or Hitler, not just mentioning them, so I'm safe.

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09/01/2015 2:34 AM

6MWh/2MW = 3h. If the wind don't blow or the sun don't shine for 24h, then you need 8 units at ?kUS$ a pop to keep your scheme going. I didn't see any price figures, hence the ?.

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