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Induction Generator

11/23/2015 12:24 AM

why the output frequency of the induction generator is always constant i.e 60 hz if we change the PRM or change in speed of the rotor?
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how we can keep the output frequency of the induction generator constant by sudden change in the RPM?

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Re: induction generator

11/23/2015 1:47 AM

If you're referring to a grid connected asynchronous generator, the frequency and voltage are both controlled by the grid parameters.

An asynchronous generator cannot act alone, it requires external excitation and, in the case of a grid connected unit such as a wind generator or similar, that excitation comes from the grid, and that grid controls the frequency independent of the rpm of the rotor, the generator has no specific frequency other than that induced by the grid, and provided rotor speed remains greater than the synchronous speed, then it will self synchronise with the grid for both voltage and frequency.

The rotor must be driven at greater than synchronous speed for generation to occur. At synchronous speed no generation happens, and below synchronous speed the device would act like a motor and so disconnection from the grid is normally done in this circumstance.

The synchronous speed is a direct function of the grid frequency and, as the grid is a very much larger pond than the generator, load changes on the generator do not affect output frequency provided its rotor speed remains above synchronous speed.

For self excited induction generators (SEIGs or isolated induction generators), both frequency and voltage can be highly variable and dependent on rotor speed. In these cases an AC-DC-ACc link is normally provided to synchronise the output as required.

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11/23/2015 6:12 AM

suppose i have wind turbine generator which is induction one. firstly the wind speed is 8 m/s and the rpm is 1200 then suddenly a high speed wind stated to blow and now rotor is rotating with 1800 rpm
obviously the generating frequency must also accelerate above 60 hz
then what is the parameter in the induction generator which keep it at 60 hz?

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11/23/2015 10:20 AM

You are correct in being concerned with generator frequency which can be affected by rotor speed.

Normally wind generators have either a constant turbine speed control regulation system or the generated output voltage is input into a AC=> DC => AC voltage converter conditioning system that automatically regulates the frequency of the reconstituted waveform before it is output into the grid.

On units with speed regulation the fan blades have a variable pitch control that adjusts the angle of the blade to offset changes in wind speed and may also have additional mechanical braking circuitry.

The breaker that connects the generator to the grid is required to have over-under frequency, over-under voltage, over current, and anti-motoring protection circuitry that will disconnect the wind generator from the grid if the generator output is not within acceptable limits.

Hope this helps clear things up for you but you really need to put some time into researching the many options available on wind generators so that you can make sound informed decisions on the subject.

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Re: induction generator

12/23/2015 7:33 PM

"... firstly the wind speed is 8 m/s and the rpm is 1200 then suddenly a high speed wind stated to blow and now rotor is rotating with 1800 rpm..."

Here is the mistake you are making in your query.

You state that the wind speed is 8m/s, then suddenly a "high wind" comes along, without stating the speed, but lets just say it is 12m/s, based on the speed change ratio of your next assumption.

You are ASSUMING that the higher wind speed will result in the rotor speed becoming 1800RPM. That is what's wrong here. The increase in wind speed will result in more TORQUE being expressed onto the rotor, but that will not really change the SPEED very much. It will increase the negative slip, maybe a few RPM at most, which will increase the current the generator is capable of delivering. But only to the point at which the windings can handle that current. At some point the protection system would have to take over and disconnect the generator before it burns out, at which time it loses excitation and free wheels, off-grid. Without the retarding effect of the grid frequency or a mechanical brake, the propeller speed would continue to increase to the point of self destruction. If nothing takes it off line and the wind speed jumped to let's say 80m/s, then the torque that creates would possibly shear off the rotor shaft.

So why would it not increase the output frequency? Well to do that, the induction generator would need to drive ALL of the other power sources feeding that grid! So let's say you have a 100kW diesel generator making a little grid, then connect a 400kW induction wind generator to it. The little grid from the DG provides excitation for the WG, but if wind speed increases, the capacity of that WG is so much more than the DG, it conceivably COULD over drive the DG and increase the frequency. The governor of the DG would attempt to retard it, but mechanically, it would be overwhelmed.

Now lets connect that 400kW WG to a grid supplied by a 60GW hydro station. NO WAY is that little 400kW WG going to over drive that 60GW turbine!

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11/24/2015 12:47 AM

thank you for my confirmation
i was confused in this that rpm has an effect on frequency even after connected to the grid

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11/24/2015 2:01 AM

Is the AC-DC-AC link located on the tower or ground level

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Re: Induction Generator

11/23/2015 11:52 PM

Induction generator or synchronous generator, the analogy is, imagine a group of people pulling a large weight, and those people are of different strengths, each has a governor telling them how fast the large weight is moving. Now one of them has a second wind and pulls harder, the result is that the others will see the weight moving faster and they will slow down putting more of the load on the one pulling harder, the system then remains synchronised.

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11/24/2015 1:23 AM

the Frequency output is directly related to the RPM of the prime mover.

In the case of a power plant reducing the RPM of the gas turbine generator sets, they lowered the Hz output from 60Hz to 50Hz.

Their reasoning was, that during the summer (and this was a desert based power plant) that as everyone would have the A/C unit going full blast, a reduction in the Hz will reduce the load on the turbines.

The real effect was to reduce the output of the submersible pumps, that were designed to produce X number of barrels per day at 60Hz. Reducing the frequency, using the Laws of affinity, reduced the gross production per day of the whole oil field.

So yes the RPM of the prime mover has a direct effect of the output frequency, and the inverter used in wind turbines will be tied to the grid to maintain the correct output Hz to match the frequency of the gird. The output Hz will not change regardless of the rpm of the blade RPM.

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Re: Induction Generator

11/24/2015 1:48 AM

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11/24/2015 9:16 AM

Rude, crude, and brutally honest, heavy on the brutal.

That's why we keep you around AP#1, don't ever change.

Well, you COULD stop asking stupid questions, which require me to hand you your own share of rude, crude, brutally honest 'feedback,'

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Re: Induction Generator

12/23/2015 6:00 AM

Induction generator runs on the principle of induction motor with negative slip. It has to be fed from external supply and the frequency of power generated depends on supply frequency but not the RPM of motor

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