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Pic of the Day

12/01/2015 9:55 AM

is your home ready for one of these?
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12/01/2015 10:38 AM

If the power source-load is the pumps, do you have over unity??

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12/01/2015 10:45 AM

I'm a really big fan of flow batteries. today most people have no idea about them, I think that's about to change and the cost will dive
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12/01/2015 10:54 AM

Me too. Too heavy for cars, but perfect for homes and grid storage.

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12/01/2015 11:19 AM

they don't like movement, so at this point I see them as stationary only
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12/01/2015 12:42 PM

Powered by Gatorade.. It's got electrolytes.

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12/01/2015 8:33 PM

I agree, but I wonder if they could be modified to run on true waste products such as those entering the waste treatment plants in cities, where there is an endless supply of liquids likely to contain organic electrolytes. That would be a major breakthrough.
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12/01/2015 9:02 PM

This is a battery. You're talking about an energy source. I think people are actually working on that.

http://www.techinsider.io/new-sewage-treatment-facility-in-washington-dc-will-generate-energy-from-waste-2015-10

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12/01/2015 10:35 PM

Hah. First time I've read an "Idiocrosy" reference on CR4.

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12/02/2015 6:22 AM

http://www.brawndo.com/

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12/01/2015 12:53 PM

Yeah like I need another system to maintain....no place to put it anyway...

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12/01/2015 2:32 PM

No need, I get my power from the national grid at a fraction of the cost and we are sitting at about 80% renewables and clean energy production.

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12/01/2015 2:35 PM

The vanadium salt based flow batteries (actually they are fuel cells, but never mind) were the first on the scene but are proving to be too costly. There are organic electrolytes using the quinone-hydroquinone redox reaction that can do a similar job (although lower voltage per cell) but at a much lower cost. Summarized quite well here:

http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2014/02/go-with-the-flow.cfm

If you have an hour to spare, you can watch Prof. Michael Azziz tell all here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1WAolcp3Y

Bearing in mind that quinone derivatives occur in plants and are harmless, quite likely that vanadium salts will not make it.
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12/01/2015 2:53 PM

Breakthrough news this week:

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-28/breakthrough-may-make-mega-flow-battery-commercially-viable-near-future

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12/01/2015 7:16 PM

How do you bring $200.00/kWh electricity to the masses who pay an average of 12 cents/kWh for their electricity today?

ViZn Targets $200 per Kilowatt-Hour for High-Power Flow ...
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12/01/2015 9:07 PM

I thought they were talking about $200 per kWh of capacity in the battery, not of actual electricity, though the article does not actually specify that.

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12/01/2015 10:37 PM

Make them pay more for grid power - see other topic where many complained that renewable targets weren't reasonable.

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12/02/2015 4:59 PM

That's easy.

You eliminate all of the fossil fuel powered and hydroelectric powered generation plants then there will not be any choice but pay the high rates.

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12/02/2015 5:04 PM

We'd still have Palo Verde.
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12/03/2015 8:50 AM

OOPS! I left out Nuclear power. We must get rid of all dangerous nuclear power plants too! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Run Forest, run!

Good morning Lyn! Top of the morning to you!

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12/03/2015 1:05 PM

<said in a thick Mexican movie accent>

"Base load? We don't need no stinking base load"

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12/03/2015 3:09 PM

Good morning. Or, afternoon. Been fighting computer issues at work so I came home.
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12/02/2015 6:04 AM

Your Power Source-Load looks like a hard pill to swallow, perhaps a smaller pill would be easier to digest!
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