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A Standard for Power Plant Equipment

12/21/2015 9:06 AM

Hi, im working on a procurement division and i need to know if there's a standards for all power plant equipment specification. So that when i want to buy something, let say "Lamps" i need to know the Type, Sub-type of the Lamps; Voltage;Watt;Fitting Type. So then when i show this specification of lamps that i want to the supplier, they can understand what i want exactly. Like a universal language standards of a power plant equipment so the buyer and seller can understand each other perfectly.
Is there a Book that writes about what specification i need to describe the equipment i want to buy?
Ex: Bearings, Belt, Blade, Elbow, Valve, Circuit Breaker, Fuse, Bolt, Pipe, etc
Sorry for my bad english

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Re: A standard for Power Plant Equipment

12/21/2015 9:23 AM

These will give you an indication.

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12/21/2015 9:34 AM

All equipment standards are determined by the plant owner specifications/requirements and the type of power plant.

You cannot get any accurate answers from any forum on this subject but you may get some valuable insight.

If you are replacing existing equipment:

1) You must replace equipment with "equal-to" or "better-than" quality equipment.

2) All replacement equipment must be a direct replacement that does not require major installation modifications.

3) Energy savings should be considered when purchasing replacement equipment however there must be a cost analysis performed to determine if the energy savings will provide enough savings to offset the purchase price and installation costs.

4) You must not cross substitute replacement parts from one manufacturer to another unless you absolutely know there are not any compatibility issues.

5) Proprietary parts are not usually interchangeable from manufacturer to manufacturer.

6) If a substitute part is being considered you must take the time to compare all specifications including performance and component physical size to ensure all safety aspects are complied with at all times.

7) Get input from and listen to plant engineers and maintenance personnel before listening to vendors & sales people.

8) If there is severe disagreement between the vendors/salespersons and plant personnel, arrange a conference between the two to solve the disagreement before purchasing any parts.

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12/21/2015 11:16 AM

It is not your burden. Delegate the specifications to your end-user because they know better what they needed than you. Just coordinate and facilitate the purchase aside from that, don't take too much of responsibility if its not yours, otherwise, you would not last a year in your job due to wrong specs purchase. It's a big mess to have the blame on you. The corporate world, I would say is a jungle. People wash oftentimes their hands clean all the time. Just play safe it's not your burden.

A PR pass through the supervisor, department head and manager so, just coordinate purchase as per their specs.

"common sense dictates"

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12/21/2015 8:29 PM

Careful with who you are quoting!

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12/21/2015 12:35 PM

Here's one source of information. You would be surprised at what you can find with the use of a search engine.

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12/30/2015 1:09 PM

It is "one source", albeit slightly dated, as in turn of the 20th Century, it appears.

The only other two things I will say:

(1) If building a power plant (unit), you should not construct this as balance-of-plant. We did a re-power of an old steam unit with new gas turbine (into a combined cycle natural gas fired combined unit), and did it balance-of-plant. What this means is you end up with 20-30 contractors, and no one is answerable to you or to any one master contracting engineering company doing the construction. Bad, bad idea. You always should opt for "turn-key" construction.

(2) If you are acting as a purchaser in the line of command on an existing plant, you should always get as much information from the personnel who will be utilizing the parts, sub-units, materials as possible. Many times you will be referred to the set of books supplied with the plant (unit). I have found over the years, that when in doubt, try to trace the items/materials back to the OEM, and if they are still around and in business, you can get the specifications from them (boiler tubing for one example). If replacing plant interior lighting, usually you will find all you need to know on the light fixture, and also on the lighting element itself. Motors, pumps, valves usually have sufficient identification nameplates to allow a quick replacement to be specified. One final word of caution: If you are doing a large-scale outage turnaround, and for some unknown reason going through a whole series of valves for replacement (or servicing), you should or could opt to contract with a reputable valve service company, and they will do most or at least the lion's share of the leg work involved.

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12/21/2015 11:55 PM

I agree with the others. Let the end user specify the details. I work in heavy industry and our procurement and stores spent a lot on detailing our equipment using the NATO system. It's really difficult finding parts because they simply didn't use the manufacturers detail and tried to make it generic. As above the equipment usually cannot be interchanged and you simply need to document what you have and let the end user sign the PR. Good luck.

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12/22/2015 1:42 AM

"procurement division" means to me that you are employued in quite a large organistion. Your user Departments must be made responsible for the full and proper purchasing description, for both stock and non-stock items.

The buyer cannot be made responsible for the certification requirements of any item.That is why you have technical departments and engineers.

Anyone who tells you different is just ignorant.

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12/22/2015 12:08 PM

I agree fully with your statement, NON technical people can never ever procure or purchase technical parts and accessories. you need to know at least some basic codification and technical terms and the meaning of technical measuring units. good luck OP with your effort, hope it is not all that it will stay.

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12/22/2015 2:06 PM

I really like your logic and reasoning but many companies dump the entire responsibility for controlling all facets of purchasing any/all materials, replacement parts, and services on their buyers and they expect/require the buyer(s) to do the research.

The company I work for is a very large international company and they have this very same policy in place.

It often causes severe lost production time, high overhead cost, and a great deal of frustration to everyone involved.

I feel sorry for the buyers as they in no way have the knowledge to do all that is expected of them.

As you can imagine we have a high turnover rate of employees in the buyer GS division.

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12/23/2015 3:35 PM

Take the part out of the machine/control cabinet you determine as bad, find the part number and manufacturer, google that information.

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12/24/2015 2:30 AM

You are talking about the Technical person doing all this? Exactly what I said, find correct part knowing its technical function or a replacement you (the tecnical person) can adapt to replace the broken one and give the information, manufacturer, part number, local supplier, their phone number and relevant Voltage and ratings to the guy in procurement that get paid as much or more than you get to order it, then wait for him to run back to you when the supplier ask him a question 2 days later that he does not have a clue what it mean, and cant even explain coherently what the question was. You phone the supplier and give the information and place the order and ask the supplier to phone your procurement department for an official order. Then the procurement guy run back to you and tell you the manager that gave him the procurement job want three quotes and if you know who else he can contact. Until engineers serve on the board with alot of clout this shit will never end. Technical people are unique with specialist education and experience that owners and CEO's of companies judge from a very limmited insight and this will continue as long as we keep saying that this is company policies and we must adhere to it irrespective of the discomfort and unprofessional result. I'm Retired and feel guilty that through my professional life I allowed incompetent Management to determine my success and hindered my level of productivity with rules that did not serve my advancement.

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