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Overloading or Duty Cycle

05/28/2016 5:11 AM

What is overloading cycle in choke? & what is duty cycle in Choke? Is overloading and duty cycle are same in choke.

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05/28/2016 5:42 AM

you will definately need to provide more information before anyone cangive a reasonable answer.

Is your choke and "electrical" choke, the choke on a 2 stroke engine or some other type of device?

Make and model would provide some insight to what you are actually asking for.

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05/28/2016 9:58 AM

It sounds like the OP overheard part of a conversation and are asking us to explain it from what they remember. A series of WAG on our part, there may be one reply that stumbles upon the meaning of the overheard conversation. Unfortunately it is far more likely the OP will grasp the concept of a reply that is different than the original overheard conversation. Now that I've warned the OP about the uncertain relevance of each of our answers, here is my WAG.

  • "duty cycle": This is a mathematical attribute of a periodic function. It is a percentage of the time the function is doing one thing divide by the amount of time to repeat the periodic function. It is a meaningless attribute for a pure sinusoidal (sine) wave because by definition a pure sine wave will always be positive for half of the time and negative for the other half so it will always be a 50% duty cycle. A sine wave voltage or current (remember "sine wave" is a mathematical term not an electrical term) source driving a linear load will produce the sine wave current or voltage the load dictates. A sine wave voltage or current source driving a non-linear load will still produce a resultant periodic current or voltage wave form but depending on the type of non-linear load the resultant waveform will no longer be a sine wave. Thus the resultant waveform may not have a 50% duty cycle.
  • "Overloading cycle in choke": An ideal or theoretical inductor (choke) is a loss less linear device that can safely handle any and all signals applied to it. Ideal inductors do not exist in the real world. A good circuit designer that needs an inductor in a circuit will usually carefully select a standard part to operate in the linear region with minimal loss of energy. Often to minimize the resistive losses a ferromagnetic core is used to boost the value of inductance. The use of core material introduces other potential energy losses and complications. One of these complications is that an absolute maximum magnetic field can be stored in the core. When one attempts to store more energy in the core the inductor becomes non-linear, usually by now having the lower core-less inductance value.

As you should now see, duty cycle and overloading are not the same thing or the same in a choke. When a choke saturates the duty cycle of the resultant waveform will be different than the driving waveform. The "duty cycle" overheard may be the duty cycle of going into and out of saturation and not the resultant waveform, too.

Usually a saturated core is not a catastrophic event for the core. Thus many a core is designed to be saturated in normal use.

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05/28/2016 11:13 AM

No, it sounds like the OP is taking a test.

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05/28/2016 1:33 PM

If that's true then my reply will not give them the numeric answer to gain credit for that question without them doing the work properly. My reply might remove a comprehension block but it certainly is not an education robbing, "spoon fed", recipe of an answer.

Isn't this what a tutor should do, help a student to do the work and not just give the student the answer.

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05/28/2016 2:31 PM

There is no numeric answer to this "define the terms" question.

No problem to be solved.

I see the question to the hapless student as, "define overloading, and duty cycle, and explain the difference".

I'm struggling to understand how duty cycle affects a choke anyway.

Only Carnac the Magnificent knows for sure.

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05/29/2016 11:39 AM

Likewise, assuming the OP is talking about an electrical inductor, I don't remember ever having heard the term "duty cycle" applied to a choke.

to the OP: "Overload" simply means that a device is being operated under conditions beyond its design limits. For a choke, That could mean that the current being applied is so large that its magnetic field saturates the core or it heats the unit above its maximum design operating temperature.

The common meaning of "Duty cycle" is the ratio of "ON" time to "Total" time for a device that is used intermittently. If a choke were used in a circuit that repeatedly turns on for a short period and then is turned off for a while, then the choke could be physically smaller than the one required for the same circuit running continuously, as long as the limiting duty cycle can be guaranteed not to be exceeded.

One possible example would be where a choke is used to limit the harmonics generated by a variable speed control providing power to a motor running a conveyor belt that moves containers being filled with product. If the containers are large, then the belt might have to move for a few seconds, then remain stopped for many seconds while the fill operation completes. This operation might have a 10% duty cycle. Changing to smaller containers would require the belt to move more frequently, increasing the duty cycle. The move time would be the approximately the same, but the hold time would be much shorter, so the choke would have less time to cool between moves.

A designer with a penny-pinching supervisor might save a bit by using a physically smaller choke than that required for full-time operation, but I consider that unwise.

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05/29/2016 12:36 AM

They say, " If you can not amaze them- then baffle the crap out of them!" GA in my book

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05/29/2016 7:42 AM

Choking for Dummies,chapter1:

When choking,summon help from a nearby person that is familiar with the Heimlich maneuver.

This can be done using semaphore signals,or if the signal flags are not available, the international standard symbol, such as holding throat while turning red can be used instead.

If your hands are turning blue,you have reached the potential OVERLOAD condition,and it is socially acceptable in most countries to fall on the floor and spin in circles until help arrives,unless of course,it is a full formal event,in which case one should keep a stiff upper lip and carry on as if nothing is wrong.

Continued overloading is followed by a trip down a long dark tunnel with a bright light at the end.

Please report back to this forum on the conditions beyond the light.

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Re: Overloading or Duty Cycle

05/29/2016 2:56 PM

Duty cycle....

Overloading....

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