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Running A Motor In Star Mode At 60% Load

07/12/2016 5:01 AM

we are having a deep pan conveyor with 37KW motor and it is fitted with Del star converter.The motor is always running at20-24 KW.In my opinion,we have to run the motor in star mode if motor is running with less than 50%.In this case,this is 18.5 KW.But motor is running with 20-24 Kw.Since it is fitted with del star converter,can I run the motor in star mode when the load is 20 to 24Kw.This will help me in using Del star converter and also I may get energy savings.Kindly clarify whether motor will run properly or will it fail.And also.what could be KVAh consumption in both modes.Full load of motor is 63Amps and it is running with 31 to 35 Amps.Please clarify.

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Re: running a motor in star mode at 60% load

07/12/2016 5:11 AM

Give up on the prospect of energy savings on this motor by running in star. If energy savings are desired with no equipment changes, then just switch it off when it is not needed.

If equipment changes can be justified then it is better to down-size the motor for a replacement with a lower kW rating that is to be run in delta, and cascade-out the larger motor ether for redeployment elsewhere or for value recovery upon sale. Once the replacement motor is to hand and being installed, remember to re-set the motor overload device to a lower full load current setting so that the motor is properly protected.

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Re: running a motor in star mode at 60% load

07/14/2016 4:07 AM

ether either

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Re: running a motor in star mode at 60% load

07/12/2016 6:37 AM

There is no economic reason to change from ∆ to Y other than to line the pockets of unscrupulous merchants. The motor will draw the power it requires regardless the connection method.

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Re: Running A Motor In Star Mode At 60% Load

07/12/2016 11:22 AM

Once again, you are searching for free ways to save money that do not exist.

You should hire a competent electrician or at least TRY to understand what you are asking.

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Re: Running A Motor In Star Mode At 60% Load

07/12/2016 4:37 PM

And on top of all that, your math is wrong. In Star, the capacity of the motor is not reduced TO 60%, it is reduced BY 67%, to 33% of it's design rating. In Star, any load of more than 12kW will overload your motor and fry it.

And.... there is almost zero real energy savings. An AC motor only uses what the load demands of it, plus a little bit of losses in making the iron and copper into a motor. The load is the load, regardless of how you connect the motor. So the only POSSIBLE energy savings come from a slight decrease in a portion of the losses. Losses in an AC motor are divided into 4 parts, not equally. Most of the losses are I2t losses, so they are directly related to load / torque, meaning those losses are going to be the same regardless of your connection. A small portion is windage; same, and friction; same. The only thing you can save on is a percentage of the magnetic losses, which are related to the voltage applied. So in Star, the voltage across the coils is 58% of what it is in Delta, so those losses are reduced by 42%. But those losses only account for about 10% of the total losses, which on a motor is maybe 10-15% of the total energy. So running in Star might save you 42% of 10% of 15% at best. That is .04%. Not 4%, 0.04%! Not even worth the cost of doing it and running the risk of stalling.

Simple truth to remember for ALL schemes about saving energy:

You can ONLY save what is WASTED, not what is USEFUL.

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Re: Running A Motor In Star Mode At 60% Load

07/13/2016 6:22 AM

Go for VFD you will save lot of Power.

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07/13/2016 12:22 PM

If you can slow it down...

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07/14/2016 4:45 AM

You will not save energy on a conveyor by using a VFD. Again, no wasted energy. If you slow the conveyor, it does less work. Energy is power across time, but work is as well, so less work = more time, energy stays the same.

You can only save energy using VFDs on CENTRIFUGAL pumps and fans by REPLACING more wasteful means of flow control like throttling valves or vane controls.

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