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Are engineers making themselves redundent?

08/06/2007 4:03 AM

Ever since I can remember in engineering we seem to be progressing to the point where engineers are becoming a thing of the past. Water reticulation was the first point of departure the last point was the computer. The first freed the population from the daily grind of fetching water and cleaning sewage out and reduced the incidence of disease the second allowed people access to a tool that could speed up there thinking countless times and a virtual tryout on all sorts as well as an instant communication tool. Engineers will, no doubt, soon reach a natural headcount world wide, by this I do not mean machine fixers, I mean those who turn ideas into reality through and by the use of technology. A window on this is the reduction of (in)flight engineers where the insurance companies now do not consider it a safety requirement to carry one. So what if any are the core disciplines that we must retain that cannot be done by, shall we say, the none technically minded, or that cannot be computerise?

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Re: Are engineers making themselves redundent?

08/06/2007 4:14 AM

It is a peculiarity of this discipline that an engineer is always seeking to render her/himself redundant. Either one is trying to reduce the maintenance burden, by improving practices or replacing equipment, or one is trying to finish something off, sometimes both. At the beginning of a 'job', one knows nothing about the problem. At the end of the 'job' one knows about all there is to know, and hands it on to someone else.

Continuous improvement in a quantised domain? That's engineering.

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08/06/2007 4:47 AM

Well said...

That's my excuse for the lack of perfection in my designs...

I don't want to design myself out of a job!

Mind there will allways be room for 'paint it blue, call it new' development.

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08/06/2007 11:10 AM

Remember way back in the day when they wanted to close the Patents office in the USA, because "every thing worth inventing had been invented".

We still need to invent that Star Trek "Transporter" - then there is the "Warp Drive" - lots of stuff out there ?!?!?!

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08/06/2007 11:18 AM

"Transporter" - then there is the "Warp Drive"

I have produced both of these...

Unfortunately I put the warp engine in the transporter...someone fiddled with the buttons..(I blame Mrs Cat) The engine has now been transported somewhere unknown and the transporter has broken down!

If only I could remember where I parked my time machine I could go back and sort out the whole sorry mess.

(I think it's somewhere near my anti-gravity device, but that's on the ceiling and I can't reach it!)

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08/07/2007 12:37 AM

Great post

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08/06/2007 12:49 PM

Some engineering college building I attendended eons ago had the folowing graffitti inscribed in the men´s room: Any fool can piss on the floor. Be hero today! Piss on the ceiling. As a then aspiring engineering apprentice I found the quote inspiring. Engineering will keep making the seemingly impossible possible. Thus they can´t make themselves redundant.

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08/07/2007 12:29 AM

There will always be "new worlds" to conquer.

Engineers to interpret the technical to instruct the uninformed.

As new areas of materials, processing, manufacturing, etc. discoveries in physics etc. are made the demand for engineers, of a new breed, will be needed to translate these into useful forms.

To quote Alfred E. Newman "What? Me worry?"

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08/07/2007 4:57 AM

There will always be room for engineers in the future, old industries die, new ones are made. Its just the cycle of technology.

Also! when we start inhabiting other planets, g wont be 9.81 at all (AIEEEE!), it will reset, to somthing...somthing, else...some kind of constant... not of this planet, it will be like Y2K all over again! and who will calm the masses!! WHO I ASK! - Engineers ofcourse! Without engineers we will be thrown into a technological ice age, calculators will revert to being made of stone, computers and microsoft excel's bar graph function will become obsolete, the buisness sector will inturn cease to exist! thousands of people of the buisness persuasion will flood the streets in mass hysteria because numbers dont make sense without bars! This will cause a domino effect and through some kind of polarity shift in the planets magnetic feild and excess of homless buisness people; all the water will become... cyanide. Yes, and we will have to wait for some new spaceage isaac newton (who by the way is probably an engineer) to sit under some kind of apple tree and have a space apple fall on his head thats mass is proportionally significant with respect to gravity to the origional apple that hit the first newton (erm...and also not big enough to kill him...) This new newton; i will call him newnewton; will spawn engineering laws all over again and all will be well! so you see, by process of assumption, everything will be fine.

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08/07/2007 5:11 AM

Mmmmmmmm space apples....

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08/07/2007 8:24 AM

Watch CNN/Headline News on the collapsed bridge in MInnesota. You will hear the word "engineer" many times for diagnosing the cause of the collapse, rebuilding the bridge etc.. People benefit from the products that are designed and produced by engineers e.g. cars, computers, medical equipment, buildings, bridges, roads, chemical plants, refineries, satellites, electric motors, weapons, cell phones etc.. Without engineers we will live very primitive.

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08/07/2007 9:22 AM

Without engineers we will live very primitive.

Are you planning something, Slong?

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08/07/2007 9:27 AM

As a licensed general contractor working for consulting engineers I think we will never go out of style. Too many things out there need us! To suggest our skills could be replaced by what our skills produce is... well... the Matrix??

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08/07/2007 10:12 AM

I think non-engineers have more to fear from engineers than engineers do. Engineers have automated thousands of factory jobs, and now that our tools are getting better (computers, sensors, etc.) we're going after receptionists ("Press 1 to..."), pilots (UAV's), pharmacists (ATM style dispensing systems), and more. Indeed we have "replaced" very few skilled workers in any field... we have only raised the bar, and rest assured we will continue to do so.

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Re: Are engineers making themselves redundent?

08/07/2007 1:17 PM

Yeah---we're cloning ourselves!

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Re: Are engineers making themselves redundent?

08/07/2007 2:22 PM

Well, until computers can research,design and build modern technology, there will always be engineers designing modern day technology. It may be counterintuitive to design something that may remove one of your own job functions, but more likely than not, whatever new technology developed will open pathways to new problems for engineers to tackle. So, I agree with the previous Guests' sentiment that engineers dont need to worry about becoming redundant. But we do raise the bar, making it a bit harder for others to find jobs.

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08/07/2007 2:26 PM

I was taught many years ago to work yourself out of a job. There is always another chalenge.

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08/19/2007 9:44 PM

bsf - what does "Illigetimi non carborundum" mean. The mind boggles at the possibilities.

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08/20/2007 8:03 AM

Illegitimi non carborundum

Roughly: "Don't let the bastards grind you down"

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08/22/2007 10:26 PM

Thanks - kind of what I thought, being old enough to have studied the dreaded language in the dim and distant past. The ability to withstand grinding down is a prerequisite for being an Engineer.

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