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Sinamics V50 AC Drive Tripping in Power Fluctuation

08/11/2016 11:46 AM

Hello there,

I have a Sinamics V50 315KW AC drive used for blower application. It always trips in the slightest of power fluctuations while other siemens drives like Masterdrive for the same application stays ON.

I have also tried flying restart as well as automatic restarts options but in vain.

Is it possible to rectify this problem by re-programming the VFD?

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Re: Sinamics V50 AC Drive Tripping in Power Fluctuation.

08/11/2016 12:11 PM

I would check cable connection length and other parameters for proper installation first, then check for components that might be added...

http://www.sinomation.com/UserFiles/download/1275981752.pdf

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08/11/2016 12:36 PM

Cable length is within 20 meter.

There is no mention of Sinamics V50 in siemens website.

Is it possible to control DC bus under-voltage? I think DC bus over-voltage can be controlled to a certain extent by using Vdc controller.

Thanks for the manual.

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08/11/2016 1:09 PM

You might check for imbalance in supply voltage, which can be caused by having other equipment drawing on single phase in three phase system...

http://ecmweb.com/content/riding-through-unstable-power-conditions-vfds

https://support.industry.siemens.com/tf/ww/en/threads/159/?page=0&pageSize=10

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08/15/2016 11:37 AM

Voltage imbalance is well within permissible limit. 5VAC for 415VAC supply.

Article was informative.

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Re: Sinamics V50 AC Drive Tripping in Power Fluctuation.

08/11/2016 3:27 PM

The V50 was a special project undertaken by Siemens in India to make a "cheaper" version of the Sinamics drive targeted for Variable Torque (quadratic) pumps and fan projects in Asia. Although it was done by Siemens India with permission from Siemens AG and Siemens China published brochures on it (case in point, the one in the link above), it is not officially a "Siemens AG" product and Siemens AG will not support it directly or show it in their official documentation. You can only get help from Siemens India or maybe China.

The fact that the V50 is strictly a Variable Torque rated version means the power device ratings are not as robust as usual, they are meant to only be used on CENTRIFUGAL loads, meaning those with blades, i.e. impellers or fans. If by "blower" you mean something like a roots / rotary lobe blower, that it NOT a Variable Torque application, it's a Constant Torque application. That might explain your problem.

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08/12/2016 4:26 AM

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08/15/2016 11:46 AM

It is a centrifugal fan used for cooling purpose.

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08/12/2016 6:22 AM

Check cable quality, rating along with cable length. If you have power electronics hardware work experience, replace or add high voltage Electrolytic capacitors on DC Bridge.

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08/15/2016 11:54 AM

Wouldn't there be any bus overvoltage issue in normal condition in case we add capacitors? Moreover I am not really sure whether it is permissible to do that.

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Re: Sinamics V50 AC Drive Tripping in Power Fluctuation

08/15/2016 8:22 PM

Well, one possible tricky issue is a feature called "bus regulation", which may be called something different in the Sinamics drives, but you should be able to interpolate their terminology. It is a feature usually used when a load cycles back and forth from motoring to regenerating. But if your load is not doing that, this feature can often create problems with fluctuating line supplies. It's hard to know exactly what the potential issue is sometimes, but what I usually do in a situation like this is to find that parameter and if it is enabled, disable it or if it is diabled, enable it and see if the problem goes away. If it does, you fixed it!

Do NOT however just add capacitors to the DC Bus! That is an irresponsible suggestion. Every drive must employ what is called a "pre-charge circuit" which works to limit the capacitor charging current when the drive is initialized. If you just add capacitors to the bus, the extra charging current they will attemp to draw can overwhelm the current limiting components of the pre-charge circuit and damage them, which can then result in the entire drive being damaged.

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08/16/2016 8:29 AM

I will try to find that. thanks.

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