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Why P.F. Not maintain Unity

08/16/2007 8:46 PM

Why P.F. Not maintain Unity

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Re: Why P.F. Not maintain Unity

08/17/2007 12:32 AM

Quite simply it is to difficult and expensive to correct the predomonantly inductive load. Also the main power grid requires reactive power to operate effectively.

This PDF may help (there is plenty about the subject on the internet for you to look at)

http://www.ferc.gov/EventCalendar/Files/20050310144430-02-04-05-reactive-power.pdf

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08/17/2007 3:11 PM

Very Thank You Sir for replying

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08/17/2007 1:10 AM

Load is not purely resistive.

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08/18/2007 9:29 AM

If you are presently at 80% power factor and it takes 100 KVAR to get to 93.5% PF, it would take another 100 KVAR to get to unity. That last 6.5% improvement is not usually a good return on investment. Don't forget that the more KVAR you add, the more harmonic amplification you will get. This is dependent on the size of the feeding transformer and it's impedance, but the more you add the more you drift down to the dominant 5th and 7th harmonics. That's when things get nasty.

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08/20/2007 11:50 PM

Capacitorbob,

very informative. Please explain about the amplification effect on the harmonics due to addition of the KVAR and relation with the feeding transformer.

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08/21/2007 9:28 AM

Every electrical system has a natural resonant frequency based on the KVA size and impedance. Adding capacitors in parallel causes the resonant frequency to drop down towards the dominant 5th and 7th harmonics. The higher the impedance of the transformer the less KVAR it takes to drop down to trouble.

If you have a 1000KVA transformer with 5-6% impedance (most common I see at 480V), you can add up to 20% KVAR to KVA ratio (200KVAR) and stay well above a resonance, but you will still amplify (maybe double) the existing 5th and 7th harmonics. Once that ratio gets to 30% or more, then the resonant frequency has dropped to the 5th and 7th harmonics.

The problems are that the capacitors won't last and unstable voltages. Drives are effected. That's why when I'm called into a facility to find out where the gremlins are, I always ask to see any capacitors on line.

If you don't have any existing harmonics, you won't have problems with adding capacitors providing they aren't large fixed banks, which will cause the base voltage to rise to sometimes unacceptable levels.

If have harmonics and you need to add capacitors and the ratio of KVA vs. KVAR is more than 30%, you should use de-tuned filtered capacitors. That way you improve the power factor and actually reduce the existing harmonics.

You can google "power factor correction" and view very detailed formulas for my rules of thumb.

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