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DC Motor Problem

08/30/2007 12:43 PM

i am using dc motor for speendal ( surface griender) motor is german make. exisiting motor drive is 3 PHASE full bridge type having output only two wire +ve and -Ve .

this motor have external field voltage 170vdc and armeture voltage from dive is about 10 vdc to 220 vdc ( may be limited for this range from drive)

earlier when this motor was working at that time motor was consuming 2 to 4 amps. for field ( at normal dry run 2amps and at load 4 amps appx) now suddenly it fails due to overload and some problem creats and system fails and it consumps 25 amps for armeture and it stop due to over load

possible combination done

allready try

external field and external armeture voltage field consume 2 amps at 110 vdc and 10 + amps for 30vdc motor rotate and rectifier burn as it is 14 amps.

armeture brush cleened , adjucent coil resistance is 2 ohm and surface cleened.

manual test if only field applied and wheel or shaft rotate 360 deg then some placess it free and at some placess it is slightly jam as field applied.

if no any supply applied motor is free ( shaft waight is more than 25 kg still it roatate by fingar only.

please help

nayanelectronics@yahoo.co.in

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Re: dc motor problem

08/31/2007 1:09 AM

Have you checked for ball bearing condition on the motor shaft? It sounds to me like the shaft is pulling when the field comes on and then the armature cage rubs on the magnets.

It could also be that the magnets are loose due to glue failure.

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Re: dc motor problem

08/31/2007 1:55 AM

The armature has been damaged, there are shortcuts in the windings. You have to have it rewinded.

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Re: dc motor problem

08/31/2007 9:18 AM

Has the armature been removed and dropped? I like the answer about the bearing problem since the armature binds when the field is energized. That sounds like a reasonable solution

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Re: dc motor problem

08/31/2007 12:01 PM

Dc motors with an external field don't have magnets. The armature voltage must have one IR (current * resistance) drop 20 volts DC for most motors before the armature will turn. Armature voltage at the terminals are dependent on speed of the rotor. The field fixed or variable creates the flux to produce the torque that is a result of load placed on the armature. So the terminal voltage of the armature is speed and the current through the armature leads are a result of the amount of load on the motor ( the Spindle). It is normal to have a fixed field voltage and the current is set for full field if you want the motor speed to go above base speed you actually weaken the field. This works within range of load as field weaking also produces less field flux and provides less torque in the motor.

You could have bearing in the motor or spindle giving problems you could have a grounded field either to case of motor or to armature. An SCR not firing can also reduce torque and allow motor to run under no load but would overload with a load applied.

There is a possibility of residual magnetism in the motor so applying the field you may notice some sticking while trying to turn by hand.

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Re: dc motor problem

08/31/2007 2:32 PM

Au contraire. The field winding creates a magnetic field that repells/attracts the field generated in the armature windings. Do not believe that this is not a magnet, although an electromagnet.

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Re: dc motor problem

08/31/2007 10:35 PM

Mr. Hooie

i like your comments,

today itest same motor with external field 220vac to full dridge i.e about 180vdc as a field. and start applying armeture field from 0vdc to 24 vdc current consumption for this is about 0 to 20 amps. ( before it runs 3000 RPM @ 24 vdc)

no any wiending are tuching to ground

field is consuming 1.5 to 2 Amps current.

Motor tameplate shows 1.4 A field current and armetur current 23.5 amps max

i dont feel any bearing jam condition

may armeture short

please add some comments

thanks.

jarunmagnet

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