5G is Coming... What Does it Mean?

It means dropping well over $1,000.00 USD on a new phone/toy.

That's about it.

My 5 year old phone's battery is dying and it is not easily replaceable. I'll probably buy a new/used 4G phone and be happy.

doogee S60 might be worth a look

1K/no way

It sounds like a correct business plan for the producer, though.

It's a Moto X 2nd generation. To replace the battery one must disassemble the phone, unplug some micro cables and run the risk of damaging the display.

Cellphone battery replacement stores (the only one I talked to) said too much risk. Of course there are You tube tutorials that make it look, relatively, simple.

Worth a try...what's the worst that could happen? I just got a replacement battery kit for my iphone 6+, that I paid $1k for, the battery is still good I think mostly because the 6+ has the larger battery....but I'm prepared....

Well I just downloaded an app that checks and monitors your battery health, and it says mine has only lost 4% of its capacity and is in perfect condition with 2800/2915 mAh....so I guess the worry was premature....with an 83% charge I have 21 hrs of talk time and 320 hrs of standby time....that sounds like a lot.....

Thanks for the link. Coconut Battery seems to work well. My iPhone 6+ is a little over 2 years old, and at full charge indicates 85.5% of design capacity.

The only times I've ever gotten close to running out of battery energy were when using the Maps App for long distances, or when I've forgotten to charge it for 3 or 4 days. I don't play games or watch videos/TV on the phone.

I use to think that way too, but now I'm not sure.

A corollary to Moore's Law has to be something like with more processing power comes more stuff to process to get a similar result. It use to be that we used a telephone to talk to another human being. Now we use a cell phone for commerce, entertainment, navigation, tracking and a myriad of other things outside of just talking to known friends and family. This higher amount of digital processing requires either older processors to consume even more power on weaker than new batteries or for the consumer to acquire faster, more efficient processors with new batteries.

Yep. Like the computer that won't run the latest game, so you buy a new computer, only to find that two months from now, it's too slow for the next game.

Or Xboxes that only use the latest generation/version of $50.00 games. You have to buy new games to fit the slot on the latest console, the old ones are worthless. Then there are the controllers. Ugh!

Well if I understood the video correctly it's not the phone that's slow, it's good for LTE speeds, it's the overtaxed internet that is slowing, the pipeline....based on that they are building out and increasing the pipeline as we speak, so I think this phone is good for at least another 3 years, with a new battery that is...

I am reminded of those terrible 3 words spoken in hushed tones at Christmas ...
BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED!

I guess you could say a phone is a consumable item so there's no point in replacement parts.

I'm surprised that our forum doesn't have a page where guys with 3 year old phones who are getting new phones could put them into the hands of guys that got 5 year old phones.

5G is quite popular at the Olympics ...

Here's an example of the speed, playing football on the field with the 3D goggles on...wow

It looks like that is the speed when going through just one very local switch and the minuscule amount of traffic from two movie cameras. I'm underwhelmed with this show. Now if they had failed to 3D goggle play football with one very local switch with earlier communication levels I might be impressed, but only if the earlier communication failed to deliver. If they had these two using their cameras along with varying amounts of fans also using their cell phones and they compared how many fans it took to choke the switch I might also be impressed.

Doesn't sound like you watched the video, the latency speed is leaps and bounds faster....and the improvement in efficiency will allow batteries to last much longer in between charges....

https://www.quora.com/Telecommunications-How-is-5G-different-from-4G-and-when-will-it-be-launched

One thing I saw no mention of is how the increased frequency will affect the interaction of the signals with the human body.

If I'm not mistaken, the 2.45GHz frequency of microwave ovens was chosen as one having a maximum absorption by water. The 3GHz cellular frequencies aren't far from the microwave oven frequency, so likely have a large interaction with the water that is the vast majority of a human body, and therefore may have significant long-term medical effects (current research seems to be tending to confirm that, although on the internet you can find someone who will "prove" one way or the other).

I'm hoping (with only a little science to back up that hope), that the 6GHz frequency range will not interact as strongly with the human body, or at the least will have a shallower penetration into the body.

Anyone have real knowledge about that?

"... will not interact as strongly with the human body, or at the least will have a shallower penetration into the body...."

Those two hopes are diametrically opposed.

Ceteris paribus, less interaction yields deeper penetration, greater interaction would yield shallower penetration.

I agree with your logic, but I'm presuming it won't be ceteris paribus!

It takes very long wavelengths for electromagnetic waves to penetrate deeply into salt water (eg. communicate with submarines). I'm not sure how much of the inability of shorter waves to penetrate is due to absorption, and how much is due to reflection.

As I indicated, I have been led to believe that the 2.45GHz frequency of microwaves used for cooking was chosen to maximize the interaction of the waves with the polar molecules of water and make them vibrate. If this is resonance, there may be harmonics, but the higher frequencies shouldn't trigger the resonance nearly as much.

Thus, my hope is that even if the Higher frequencies of the 5G do penetrate the body, they won't cause that resonance and thus wouldn't do as much possible harm to the body, and my suspicion is that they won't penetrate as deeply, whether due to absorption or to reflection.

For the love of... This is not ionizing radiation (it's not even infrared light, let alone visible light), therefore all of the lost electromagnetic signal energy will be due to the transformation to heat.

...and reflection.

I fully understand that, and have been trusting that concept, as I nearly always carry my iPhone in my shirt pocket (I know I'd smash the screen if I carried it in a pants pocket), and rarely use the external mike/earphones.

Yet there does seem to be some credible research linking cellphone use with negative effects on the human body. Note that linking does NOT necessarily mean causing...

I'm open to any scientifically sound information, whichever direction it points. I'm also well aware of psychosomatic illnesses.

Does that mean that the battery will last 10 years, the phone will be obsolete in 5 years and there will only be replacement batteries available for 2 ?

"5G is Coming....What Does it Mean?" Um,......that 6G is the next big thing.......

6G will be the singularity....

G-whiz!

The tens-of-meters range of beam-steering requires millions of new antennas: first in malls, stadiums, concert halls, then on urban highways for intercommunicating vehicles.

But for the rest of us in the burbs? Cable, WiFi, and 4G for a long time.

Yes but in the burbs you have light traffic, your speeds don't suffer from clogged pipelines...4G LTE is nothing to sneeze at...4k video requires about 25 Mbps

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-mobile-network,review-2942.html

I may be a old dinosaur but have I missed out on something? Ok, I can accept a hobby or technical interest in all this stuff --- that's what it is ---technical stuff, I seem to mainly and happily live without. Where have I gone wrong! Yes, I too have an old second hand Samsung Galaxy on it's last legs with an irreplaceable battery, but I have disabled most of its features, and occasionally go online when near free WiFi --- if I get bored, like when taking my wife shopping.

I don't miss the apparent need everyone around me seems to have to be perpetually in touch. I must be weird or something --- or perhaps may have a healthier mental outlook??? --- I don't know! --- but what I do know is 5G or not, a cheap second hand phone replacement is for sure --- and yes I still got a life.

<...don't miss the apparent need...to be perpetually in touch...> It's a 21st-century thing...

I can only surmise that you don't seem to understand the capabilities of the new phones...or have completely lost your sense of curiosity ....or perhaps you sit and stare at the wall all day....maybe you're a zombie...?

I do probably 90% of my shopping online, including groceries via instacart....I use uber to get around when my car is in the shop, or need just a one way ride...I use the maps feature to find addresses and locations of places I'm going for the first time...I watch TV when I'm away from home sometimes...I conduct business, money transfers etc online...I take and store pictures and videos with my phone...I can check the stock market and get stock quotes anytime with my phone....I can text, talk, video chat, send pictures or videos or documents all with my phone...I can listen to emergency radio chatter....I can hunt for ghosts(haha) or play games...I can listen to any radio station anywhere....In fact there seems to be no end to the possibilities of what I can do with my phone, because I have just given a sample here....

I just purchased a new Midland citizens band radio. This is the type of unit that requires the owner to install coax, connectors, antenna mount, and adjust the standing wave ratio and check for reflected signal.

I also need to know about a couple of pages worth of FCC rules, and post a copy of those in my shack where I got my rig set up.

Of course, I could of just downloaded the CB radio app.

Then all of my conversations would be judged and possibly censored by someone with sensitive feelings. And my membership could be revoked at any time.

You see, I'm actually only 12 years old and I can't think or be responsible for myself and I need my mama.

I remember the last time the poop hit the fan, all of these boobs were running around yelling, " I ain't got no signal ! "

I calmly walked out to the car, keyed up the mic, and I was getting up and out.

Ya, baby !

I prefer to engage with real people who I can look straight into their eyes, --- but maybe that is too old fashioned. All of your listed options --- and more --- I achieve on my PC and spend my valued daytime hours in real time, face to face with real people. I don't allow tech rule me with total dependency, and think anyone who does as rather sad.

Sorry it wasn't an attack on your choices...no need to get defensive...I believe in taking advantage of what technology is available that I find useful, nothing more than that...

OK, apology accepted. When you suggested I may have completely lost my sense of curiosity, I viewed that as an inferred attack which is why I needed to fight my corner.

About 3 weeks ago, I saw the new MIMO antennae being installed on a light pole in Las Vegas near the intersection of Las Vegas BLVD. and Harmon Street. I ended up sitting at a red light about 4 feet from the installers and I wondered why they had a full lane of traffic blocked off and the installers 4 vehicles were parked inside the traffic cones. 5G... That's why!

Still waiting for 4G round here.

"T-Mobile to launch 5G in 30 cities this year, including New York and LA"

..."No one will actually be able to use the 5G network this year, though. Ray said it wouldn’t be until this time next year that we’ll see the first phones announced that support 5G on T-Mobile’s network."...

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17058368/tmobile-5g-first-30-cities-2018-new-york-la-dallas-las-vegas

Exponential price diminishing returns.