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Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/12/2007 7:25 AM

I am trying to understand more about chokes? .

Can I use an electronic choke designed for T8-10W in a T5-10W application?

Why cannot I use a 20W bulb with a 40W conventional choke? Is it true in case of eletronic 40W choke as well.

I am a mech engineer. So please try to explain from the basics. Thanks a lot in advance.

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Re: Fluorescent bulb chokes

09/12/2007 8:45 AM

I am very puzzled. I have never head of a Fluorescent Bulb "Choke." I consider myself fairly educated in in the fluorescent lighting field. Are you referring to ballasts?

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/12/2007 9:57 AM

Same thing.... ballasts are also called chokes......( Tap-faucet thing...) visit this site for details... http://members.misty.com/don/f-lamp.html Good luck !! Chaterpilar

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/12/2007 10:47 PM

"Same thing.... ballasts are also called chokes......( Tap-faucet thing...) visit this site for details... http://members.misty.com/don/f-lamp.html Good luck !! Chaterpilar"

All the fluorescent lamps I know of require a ballast to match.

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Re: Fluorescent bulb chokes

09/14/2007 11:42 AM

Thank you very much for the link. I think I'll make that mandatory reading for my apprentices. I picked up a few bits from it myself.

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09/17/2007 12:54 AM

Sorry chaterpilar, I forgot to thank you. It was an excellent link. Thanks for your contribution.

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/12/2007 11:27 PM

The choke uses a coil of wire on an iron core to limit current by inductive reactance.

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/12/2007 11:57 PM

A choke is a two wire inductor that is used with a starter or a push button to initially put current through the heaters then disconnect them at which point an inductive kick from the choke fires the plasma

A ballast is a specially configured transformer that runs the heaters full time, limits the current end to end and produces a high voltage to ground to ionize the gas.

The problem with using a choke rated for a larger lamp is that it would likely not limit the current to an appropriate level for the lower wattage lamp. Conversely, too small a choke may not provide adequate current for a larger lamp or might overheat.

A choke is also a ballast since ballast refers to its function. It is a choke type ballast different from a transformer ballast that has two power leads and four lamp leads for each lamp. The case of the transformer ballast must be connected to a metal fixture in which the lamp is mounted. The lamp will not fire if it is not in proximity to the metal fixture when using a transformer type ballast.

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/13/2007 12:18 AM

I'll keep it as brief as possible.

A "choke" is a device for limiting current in a circuit and is connected in series. A "ballast" is a device for loading a circuit artificially thus stabilising the circuit in some way (e.g. by magnetising a transformer, or discharging a capacitor etc) and thus would be connected in parallel. These can be resistive, inductive or capacitive.

However both of these functions are performed by fluroescent tube control gear. You may therefore take your pick, but in the lighting industry we say "ballast" or in modern terms "control gear". I've heard US lighting engineers still refer to choke though.

In standard "switch-start" control gear, an inductive ballast is switched by a glow starter and when the starter turns off presents a high voltage across the tube. Once struck, the tube is a virtual short circuit and the ballast now restricts (chokes) the circuit amperage. A capacitor is added for power factor correction. To operate at 50/60Hz the ballast must be iron-cored and wire-wound, and is heavy, noisy and "lossy".

High frequency electronic control gear is simply a 20kHz+ power oscillator. At these frequencies inductive components become small, light and very efficient. High voltage is very easy to produce so tubes light 'instantly', are silent, run flicker-free, are more efficient and easier to control (e.g. they can be dimmed and controlled by a data line - Google "DALI ballast"). Power factor is unity but a lot of harmonics can be generated.

Electronic ballasts, as they are referred to, must be matched to the tube they control. Starting, running and control characteristics of T5 tubes are different to T8, so the control gear is not interchangeable. Because of safety circuitry, generally a mis-matched HF ballast will simply shut down. Osram et alia make a "smart ballast" to control a wide range of T5 lamps.

Conventional wirewound ballasts or chokes are not rated according to their own power, but in the lamp they are supposed to control. Again they are not interchangeable and the results could be spectacular!!

Beware if you are experimenting - very high voltages are present when tubes are starting and capacitors can possibly retain charge when the circuit is killed. Improperly matched capacitors and lamps can explode! Over half my fire investigation work comes from this.

I think switch-start should be banned. Yet I was demonstrated a brand new light fitting yesterday fitted with guess what? Oh well.

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/13/2007 3:13 PM

If you are insistent on presenting lectures on chokes vs. ballasts reread the OP and answer the question asked. It should not be too difficult to deciper the meaning of the question instead of taking off on a tangent.

Sisra is doing his best to inquire about ISSUES WITH FLUORESCENT BALLASTS WHICH HE DESCRIBES AS CHOKES !

We all need to be careful about our responses to such questions which only muck-up the responses and confuse the OP.

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09/13/2007 3:39 PM

the ballast and lamp load should match within reason.

Too big a ballast for a lamp = high lamp current and electrodes sputter off and gradually blacken the tube starting from the ends.

Too small a ballast overheats the ballast and can lead to saturation and excess ballast current. Most ballasts must have a thermal link in them as there used to be many ballast fires from the hot melted tar encapsulant emerging and burning??

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/inductr.html

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09/13/2007 9:08 PM

If you are insistent on presenting lectures on answering questions reread the reply and see if it answers the question asked. It should not be too difficult to decipher the validity of the answer instead of taking off on a tangent.

Sisra is doing his best to inquire about

(a) ISSUES WITH FLUORESCENT BALLASTS WHICH HE DESCRIBES AS CHOKES !

(b) AS A MECHANICAL ENGINEER REQUIRES AN EXPLANATION FROM THE BASICS

We all need to be careful about our comments to such answers which only muck-up the responses and confuse the OP.

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Re: Fluroscent bulb chokes

09/14/2007 1:47 AM

Hi everybody,

Thanks a lot for all your contributions.

Ballst or choke.. well now it is understood..

Well BabyGuiness.. I think you should be more appropriately titled MasterGuiness! your explanation was very helpful.

My application is T5 tubes 6W, 8W, 14W, 16W,24W etc.

I think I should not try to invent wheel. I will try to stick to already proven designs which are commercially available. (such as Osram you mentioned). Are there any other brands you are aware of?

Thanks once again.

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