Can anyone adapt an (audio) AD/DA converter to my design?

if it is being done in the USA, provide a website or other reference. Ozzies are as smart as anyone and they can do it just as well.

It may be the typical "soak the artist" type of thing. Is see simple electronic devices with $10 worth of parts sold to kids for $200 by music shops with 40% margins from makers.

so tell us what you want to do and see what responses you get?

There is no Website. I picked it up off some forum and can't remember what forum that was. I'd already recognised the opportunity. Couldn't believe nobody else had, and you're right, the market is comprised of big name-brand products charging big money for what, according to my friend who is an ex BBC tech., is simple and cheap. I'm all for making things more accessible. That doesn't mean those who recognise such opportunities don't have to eat, live, etc. I'm for win/win agreements. I'm for making the music 'market' accessible to musicians who are talented yet of meagre resource. So if you think you can do it, let's make arrangements. I don't know if they permit personal email contact on this site but once I post this (and finish uploading music which is happening in the background now) I'll check it out. Thanks for your response. Simon Binks

One of the problems with this market ir the fact that it is not a mass market. That means development costs are spread over fewer sales. If you cannot give the music stores large margins, they will not sell your item. They will sell a brand name for $200 on which they make 40% rather than yours for $24.95 on which they make the same 40%.

This will force you to direct selling via the web. It may not be as easy a market as you think it is. Sadly, I do not have the design expertise to make musical instruments, being a chemical engineer, so I am unable to take part in this process. Others might do so, and if you place a few facts here they might make contact via the private message aspect of CR4 and this will allow you to exchange e-mails

Where and what do you see as the hole? What are we missing, in other words? <sp> As an Audio guy myself, i am familiar with whats out there now. <sp> Don't get me wrong, if you've got something you feel worth creating, by all means, do it. But heres a few thoughts: <sp> If your out there to fill a void with "a design/ergonomic/marketing perspective," good luck. Theres a lot of stuff out that "looks and feels good," but sounds like shite. I believe the professional crowd tends to favor qualities of sound over qualities of layout. <sp> The innovation to be made in AD/DA implementation would need to be a technical breakthrough kind of thing, or that, PLUS, a cost effective solution. Simply making cheaper gear doesn't mean a thing in a world of Behringers (sp). <sp> "could corner a large International market..." <sp> Are you a realist.. are you prepared to run against the Apogees, the EMM Labs, the Lavrys, Auroras etc... Even in the low end of the gear spectrum, theres the B word, and others. RME, Lucid, and others occupy the mid-section. <sp> "Even though this small, largely unknown boutique firm is doing this mod to the same equipment I have in America, and achieving great but little-known results, nobody is in Australia." <sp> So in actuality, your not proposing a new product, but the modification of an existing product. If thats true, be wary of infringing on the original product manufacturers rights. If you've got a good idea, prototype it, get a form of design protection for it, and then sell it to the original product company. Odds are you'd find it easier than starting your own business/manufacturing/marketing.

I've been in the business for 25 years. Got loads of platinum albums as a producer and artist. In the Hall of Fame. Reviewed by Rolling Stone as the top guitarist in the country. I know what's out there. I have a copyright lawyer as a friend. But thanks anyway. None of that had occurred to me.

want a good mod with very good sound, try tubes, loads of circuit drawings around, even the older stuff, which still works and sound great, and ya can pick up even the older speakers as well, which some still want for that special sound. a simple 25 watt tube amp is selling for about $1k, comes with the older transformer and all. http://www.glass-ware.com/Index.htm

Please visit this site....here.

They have proven to be a tremendously helpful resource to me. They can certainly direct you to some one in your area.

wishing you much success,

Charles

Dear Charles. Thank you. If ever I can return the favour, please don't hesitate to ask. Sincerely, Simon Binks

Go forth and prosper.

Let us know of your success. And return the favor to others.

Good Day,

cr3

Hi Simon:

A couple suggestions: Put another post in the Electrical Engineering section referencing this thread. There are a lot of talented EE's who hang around CR4.

Also Masu is Australian, and generally helpful and broadly knowledgeable and could steer you in in the right direction.

You might offer to the American firm to basically do their thing in Australia, perhaps paying them a small royalty, and perhaps re-branding it with your name , or another name. Some of these electronic devices have no real patent protection, and the box or appearance (covered under a design patent) might be all the protection they have. So your offer, given that you might have no obligation to pay them anything, might be seen as a good thing. Quite possibly, they would not get into the Australian market anyway, so any money they make from Australia would be "found money." Maybe.

Have fun, Ken

Thanks Ken, I've just been searching the Net again today. There is no-one filling this void except one company, which proves it can be done, but their converters are not really good. There is one other company that produces a 16 channel A/D/A which is excellent, and lets face, some of the best recordings of all time have been made on 4 track or less. But that is only have the battle. Pro Tools has the Pro market, not that records have been made on other systems, but Pro Tools IS the Industry standard. I have used/owned Pro Tools (& every other system) and have nothing against it (except the price) but it beggars belief that noboy has thought of what I have and not built what I am suggesting. It's not JUST the converters, although they are critical and not THAT good in Pro Tools (DigiDesign) units, it's the other half of the job=processing effects. The resolution is so simple that it frustrates me. I have the best/most cost-effective ergonomic system, but the converters are just not up to scratch. But again, people have made great records on much less. It's just frustrating when you see a great business/work opportunity that nobody else is seeing. I've had a few positive responses from good-sounding men (and some arrogant "I know it all" responses from people who seem to not have the slightest clue, but this is a worthy site and if I can find someone, it will be here. My friend Andrew Stone (Digital Voodoo) has the industrial infrastructure but not the time, although he is the best of friends and would bend space/time to help if he could. But he has deadlines, investors and I can't ask him to risk his core business. It's a long story that will make a great book, but Andrew has helped me through extraordinary times of actual danger, dealing in Indonesia with crooks (they were Australians - not Indonesians). He has been help enough to me, more than so. But this is just a great idea waiting. As a professional musician, producer and experienced studio guy for 25 years, I know we would corner the market by streamlining an existing technology. Thanks Ken and all who offered positive feedback/links. The idea is still open. Gotta go. Thanks again Ken et all. Simon

one other company that produces a 16 channel A/D/A which is excellent, and lets face, some of the best recordings of

Do you mean 16 channel or 16bits? They are different meaning.

I guess you are meaning 16 bits a/d converter.

No. Minimum sound requirements for Digital Audio on a pro recording level are 24 bit/96khz. I would be going for 24 bit/ 192 khz. Even though it is all dithered down to 16/44.1 for a CD (at the moment), the many compitations made at 24/192 during a lengthy recording process, thousands, (96khz minimum) make for a much more detailed Master, which is then - for the moment - dithered down to 16/44.1 for the CD Master. CD's are yesterday's news. DVD's will replace CD's as Blu-Ray and Double Density replaces DVD's. It's just a matter of replacing the converters on an existing 12 I/O unit I have. And maybe the 24I/O that comes as it's extension partner. This will make the best recording device outside Pro Tools. Then we can get into putting CPU's on a PCIx card to do all the audio out/in on a card and take the load off the computer's CPU (I have a G5 Dual 2 ghz). Then ....well, we'll see how we go. Interested?

your condition is so high. 192khz? so high sample rates? whats your the highest audio frequency? 20khz or 40khz? if 20kz, 64 or 96khz is enough for mpge4 or 7 prototype.
you can adopt even more than 240khz or 960khz, its no use now, Im afraid that no cpu can process that high speed.
24bits or 32bits depend on your s/n? whats your s/n ?
Im interested but Ivnt heard 24bits/96khz yet. I hvnt got such good condition to hearing now.even in international exhibition hold in China. I know this protools butg I hvnt used it ever.
I try to search and find one.
12i/o will be datestream of 54M bits/s at least

I recommand two type of IC for reference.

Cirrus Logic
CS8421 up to sample rate of 192 kHz
TI--SRC4392 up to 216Khz.
these device can meet your requirement.

TI analog ect companies have many good quality a/d converters.

we can also be cooperation with each other to implement if you like. I know a little of some sound recording equipments and can design some parts.

can you tell us more details? may we can find exsiting this digital equipments on the market without design again.