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06/25/2018 7:26 AM

With absolute proof of this invention, [redacted] going back to 1982, why must I lose the rights to it, simply because it might become public?

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06/25/2018 8:48 AM

Are you asking about the reasoning behind patent law and patent expiry dates?

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06/25/2018 8:58 AM

Correct.

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06/25/2018 8:50 AM

Country of origin and country of transgression?

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06/25/2018 9:00 AM

Country of Origin - Australia.

Country of Transgression - ask me about 6 months after it becomes public - (still secret)

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06/25/2018 9:18 AM

Well, it has been 35 years, have you not made enough money off of this yet?

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06/25/2018 9:53 AM

It has never been made public.

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06/25/2018 10:47 AM

Two points of confusion:

In your OP you tell us it is established as being made public in 1982. Please expand how being on Facebook isn’t revealing the intellectual concept.

Second, if not public, of what use (and subsequent value) is this?

OR, is your continued use of the word ‘public’ referring to ‘Public Domain’, as in expired patent or copyright?

n.b., I am not signing up at Facebook to see something, so your link is nonfunctional for me.

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06/25/2018 1:19 PM

No, I said I had absolute proof of invention, being official (guv) correspondence, offering to fund development of prototypes. Their appraisal was done confidentially, under an NDA.

Never patented, never public, never manufactured.

If we get a patent system that permits public discussion without (fraudulently) depriving inventors of their IP rights, due to lack of 'absolute novelty' - and a patent system that makes more than a sham attempt at encouraging inventors solve the planets problems, it will probably be a lot of use.

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06/25/2018 2:16 PM

So, let me get this straight.

Because you don’t like the patent systems, and because you believe the system is slanted and polluted, you have deprived mankind to the detriment of the planet the knowledge and use of a this invention for 35 years?

You are a wastrel and selfish bastard.

How many people have died, how many hectares of rain forest lie denuded because of your greed? One is too many.

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06/25/2018 10:46 AM

Patents expire so nobody can keep useful inventions from the public good....just because the patent expires doesn't mean the idea is going to become useful, after all most good ideas don't stay unused on purpose...it might be that you have overestimated the usefulness of this idea...this is very common...

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06/25/2018 11:13 AM

"Patents expire so nobody can keep useful inventions from the public good...."

You can if you don't tell anyone.

"just because the patent expires doesn't mean the idea is going to become useful, after all most good ideas don't stay unused on purpose...it might be that you have overestimated the usefulness of this idea...this is very common..."

My (other) inventions have received Bronze, Silver, Gold, CES D&E (x 2), Inventor of the Year, Geneva, Paris, Techex, etc etc etc.

Some OEMs refused to accept the invention as possible, based on a description of the features; but then commissioned me to design it into their vehicles after signing an NDA, & seeing it.

Most of the (few) people who saw the invention* had comments like "I wish I had invented it" or "Gees, Rockwell's gunna take out a contract on you"

I know that of which I invent.

* Who are all dead now, except one.

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06/25/2018 11:54 AM

Most inventors who have a successful invention that is about to expire, make improvements and then patent that, keeping one step ahead of the competition....I thought you said the patent had never been made public, if you have a patent it is public already...Additionally, what was gee wiz 35 years ago, is old tech now....this whole thing is starting to sound bogus...

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06/25/2018 12:05 PM

Fair chance you will never find out.

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06/25/2018 1:33 PM

I think I just did....

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06/25/2018 12:09 PM

Is this just a repeat of this thread ?

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06/25/2018 12:12 PM

Yes, still waiting for an answer.

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06/25/2018 3:40 PM

From what I can see looking through both discussions we gave you plenty of answers, it appears you just don't like them.

Either do something with your idea or be prepared to lose some or all of the rights.

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06/25/2018 4:07 PM

That’s it, Stuart. Just get over your bad self.

Figure it out Stuart.

Figure out how to brush off the people who feed off of your IP, find a consortium that sees and believes in your ideas and makes you wealthy beyond imagination. Make it happen somehow, mankind will benefit.

OR, figure out that Jacob Marley was correct when he said “Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business: charity, mercy, forebearance, benevolence were all my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business! Let it happen and, mankind will benefit.

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06/25/2018 10:37 PM

You obviously have not had anything to do with the patent system.

Who owns my inventions?

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06/26/2018 3:39 PM

I made some money off my patent but then for reasons I won't go into I no longer produced the patented product. I tried to sell the patent off and either get a lump sum payment or royalty, but it fell through. Now I have moved on and the patent will expire, and I am fine with that because I am no longer using the patent or plan to use it in the future.

Does it really make sense to hold onto a patent if you are not using it? What if (for example) a large corporation patented the cure for cancer and held on to it to prevent others producing it?

While the patent system is generally flawed there are good reasons to have unused patents revert to public domain to prevent misuse.

Who owns my inventions?

Invention or idea? Just because you have an idea doesn't give you the sole rights to it for all time.

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06/26/2018 4:00 PM

I know that in the Australian and EU patent systems your absolute proof of 1982 will be worthless if someone else comes up with the same idea (even if you can prove it is really your invention that they purloined) and files a patent before you do.

First to file gets the brass ring.

And saying that a patent should only cost one grain of rice isn’t going to make it so.

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06/26/2018 8:19 AM

The patent rules have, over time, been shaped by big business in order to steal ideas from those such as yourself, by forcing you into the open with your inventions and then stealing them.

You have no hope of ever beating the current system unless you keep your invention to yourself, which is what I assume you are doing by not patenting it.

The patent system is geared towards forcing you into exposing your ideas so that big business can steal them.

You are in the position of never having exposed your idea, ergo, you can never benefit from it under the existing rules either, which are: Reveal it and lose it or keep it hidden and lose it.

You are in the keep it hidden and lose it camp.

But you do have the satisfaction of never letting "them" get it either, which is sort of a hollow victory because you can't benefit from it either if you continue to keep it under wraps.

The newer problem is that China has for more than 40 years been usurping the Western patent system and made it worthless by their outright theft of any worthwhile idea, even if it is already patented, and even if it isn't already patented.

So now you're not just up against the wealthiest corporations in the world, who've blatantly stolen every good idea from independent inventors, you're also up against the largest organized crime syndicate the world has ever known, who are blatantly stealing those ideas from those wealthy corporations who stole those ideas in the first place.

But there is a way to foil both those thieves and as an inventor I'm surprised you haven't thought of it by now.

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07/24/2018 4:02 AM

Are you going to let us into the secret (of how to foil the thieves)?

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07/24/2018 7:12 AM

"But there is a way to foil both those thieves and as an inventor I'm surprised you haven't thought of it by now."

Apart from marking (some of) my products 'Patented by Smith & Wesson'*, & STFUing, no, I don't know.

* Somebody, in the future, may find out how serious I am about that -

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12/19/2018 7:52 PM

LOL

You just dont know how to help yourself do you.

did corporations not wish to deal with you for the same reason ?

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12/19/2018 7:59 PM

And you do.

Garn, I'm all ears.

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