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Effect of Rotor on Stator Winding Inductance in an Offline Generator

06/29/2018 12:44 PM

We were measuring inductance of generator's stator winding for each phase separately (after removing the star connection) using a simple RLC meter, to check for any inter-turn fault (yes I know - we didn't have anything else to check with).

The inductance of Red and Yellow phase was identical (4mH) but blue phase showed more than twice (12mH). We thought something is wrong with the blue phase winding. Suddenly we thought of manually rotating the rotor, and turned it 90 degrees, but found same reading. Then we rotated 45 degrees; rechecked the inductance and this time, the inductance of yellow and blue phase measured same (4mH) but red phase showed 12mH - it was as if the 'abnormal' reading had rotated with the rotation of the rotor and there was no fault with the blue phase winding as we initially had thought.

So now I want to ask: Does the presence and/or position of rotor, affects the inductance of stator windings?

It clearly did here. And what caused it when the machine was stationery and offline for over a month? Residual magnetism in the rotor? Would the results be any different if it were a non-salient pole rotor?

Our generator is 3-phase, Y-connected, brushless, 4-pole rotor (salient), turbine driven machine, and had been offline for over a month.

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Re: Effect of Rotor on Stator Winding Inductance in an Offline Generator

06/29/2018 1:48 PM

Yes, with a salient pole rotor, position matters. No need for residual magnetism. Its the same as moving a core wrt a solenoid coil.

The lack of effect with the 4 pole rotor initial 90° rotation compared to the measured effect when turning just 45° supports this.

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06/29/2018 2:54 PM

Ah OK. Thanks!

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06/29/2018 9:44 PM

There is something odd in your measurements though. When you say you rotated 45°, how accurate is that?

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06/30/2018 3:27 AM

Roughly measured from the coupling hub at drive-end. First we rotated it to 90 degrees, then measured - same results as at original position. Then we rotated further to 45 degrees. We did it roughly like half of 90 degrees. Then we took another reading. Now things changed.

It was like this:

0 degrees: U-U1 = 4mH, V-V1 = 4mH, W-W1 = 12mH

90 degrees: U-U1 = 4mH, V-V1 = 4mH, W-W1 = 12mH

45 degrees: U-U1 = 12mH, V-V1 = 4mH, W-W1 = 4mH

What else do you think it could be

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07/01/2018 5:07 AM

"... We did it roughly like half of 90 degrees. .."

It is no longer odd with the realization the amount of rotation stated is a rough estimate.

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06/30/2018 8:26 AM

Presence & position of rotor does affect inductance of stator windings.

If rotor is out, stator flux, which did go through high permeability iron rotor now goes through air μ = ≈1.

Similarly, salient pole directly on a stator winding centre reduces total air gap to minimum. Poles are 90 degrees apart, so 45 degree rotation gives maximum.

This is connected with the direct axis and quadrature axis machine parameters & the d-q axis machine theory.

There is still a lesser effect with cylindrical machine rotor. The rotor winding slots are not everywhere around circumference and are a large "air" gap compared to rotor-stator clearance, which may be a few mm.

You may be able to some information by energising each stator at reduced AC mains voltage. A Medium Wave "AM" portable radio may pick up noise from "tracking" in faulty phase. With rotor out, this may localise the slot, as might a search coil & voltmeter.

With a brushless machine the rotor exciter diodes will conduct on one polarity of stator AC, near short-circuit on rotor main field. This means you have to disconnect the main rotor lead or half the diodes - however, they are usually accessible for replacement without removing rotor - there might be diode fuses, easier to remove without loose leads.

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