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Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/25/2007 10:24 AM

What is the best soldering material to use when repairing wrought iron furniture? Also what is the best method of removing rust from same?

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/25/2007 10:28 AM

There is a special rust remover solvent ( at any general store) that cleans away rust on any metallic material, and wrought is one comprised in this category.

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09/25/2007 11:17 AM

Hmm, don't know of a solvent for rust but there are supposed 'reducers' or 'converters' available in shops. Best one is a bead blaster.

Wrought iron is a pretty rare commodity which could best be repaired with sympathetic welding. If the thing is of cast iron however, like those Absolutely Gorgeous Coalbrookdale fern-style victorian benches, then I'd search out a specialist in welding grey cast iron and put in a couple of prayers to assist.

Could I plug my garden benches now?? Aww, thought not.

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/25/2007 12:11 PM

I´m no welder but I´ve seen guys welding cast iron pieces. After the usual cleanning and degreasing the joints are heated with a torch then arc weld using an iron filled rod.

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/26/2007 1:16 AM

I don't think you will have much luck with soldering it. I am not a welder but did weld some iron pieces once with guidance from a welding supply shop. They gave me a nickel brazing rod for an electric arc welder. Nickel is compatible and apparently they knew what they were talking about because it worked. You have to be really careful about uniform heating and very slow uniform cooling or due to the brittle nature of iron you may end up worse off than you are. If you are going to do it yourself get guidance from a reputable shop or better yet find someone who knows how to do it, especially if you want it to look nice. My welds weren't pretty but it was quite functional for the needed application.

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/26/2007 8:35 AM

If the material is wrought iron, it can be welded with oxy-acetelyne, stick, or any other convenient method. It can also be brazed or silver soldered. The best repair method will depend somewhat on why it broke where it did. You may want to add material to strengthen the joint so it does not become overstressed again. If the material is cast iron, brazing is probably the best repair method. I recommend sand blasting to remove rust. A final finish can be with rustoleum primer and paint, or powder coating.

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/26/2007 10:09 AM

Thank you guys I just noticed on the weekend I have a bench with a cracked spine in the cast. I will try your methods.

To clean rust use CLR or a muriatic acid wash BUT WEAR (P.P.E.) Neopreme or Latex gloves and eye protection don't use the oldmethod Cocacola the sugar is too hard to get off after!!

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09/26/2007 10:28 AM

Most "wrought iron" furniture is really steel, and can be welded by any of the common methods. If the piece has portions that are cast iron (recognizable by shapes that could only be molded, grey color of metal, and granular drilling chips, instead of long curling ones), then brazing with an oxy-acetylene torch works well.

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09/26/2007 10:43 AM

Cast iron engine blocks welded all the time, though it takes an experienced welder.

I remember seeing a number of years ago a TV ad for Alumalloy, basicvally a braze for aluminum. The people who make it also make a product for cast iron, though I cannot attest to how good it is. If what you're repairing is more ornamental then structural I'd definately give it a try. www.alumaloy.net

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09/26/2007 9:14 PM

I don`t get a chance to put my two cents in often, but this is one. First you need to find out if it is cast iron or steel presuming it is a casting. The cheapest and easiest why is a spark test. Take an angle grinder and grind on the same part where it will not matter. If the sparks that fly off only appear to travel a short distance, say 6" to 2' then it is iron. To make sure grind on a piece of steel with the same pressure and notice how far the sparks fly through the air 3 to 8'. So if or after you decide it is iron then it will depend where and why it broke. But remember that if it is possible to add on a small piece of steel it will help with the strength and is easy to weld using the same welding rod. I know that you are not an expert like me so I assume you have a basic electric arc welding machine. Go to the local welding supply store and ask for what ever brand high nickel alloy machinable welding rod they have in stock. 3/32 or 1/8 diameter. They will sell it by the half pound or pound as it going to cost 45 to 60$ a pound. If the fracture is a a light member or even a heavy member you are going to use the slow weld and pean process as it is the best for a beginner. In other words you don`t have a oven and we are not going to tell you how to make a repaire that you are not tooled up to do. Just do the repaire in a room where there is no sudden changes in the temperature as a sudden blast of cold air can crack your repair work in half. Use a flex grinding wheel to remove all of the old paint then a hard wheel to bevel where the crack would be if you put the two pieces together. If possible clamp on the piece of steel that you prepared before if it is possible to use it. Strike your arc and begin welding making sure if the project is in two piece's you allow for a bit of contraction. Only make a small bead even if it appears to be welding nicely, then take a small ball pean hammer and using the small end lightly pean ( hit or strike ) the weld to put small very small dimples on it. This will help to reduce the stress you are putting in the joint. If the weld is full of porosity just grind, re weld and peen until you get the type of weld you are happy with. Remember to weld the steel on the back side to the casting if you were able to use it. Do not sit there burning rod after rod just because it is going well it will most likely fail during the cooling process. Just go at it slow and clean and pean. Once you learn how to do this and get some confidence you can learn the more complicated ways of repairing castings. Cast Iron comes in thousands of types of Matrixes`s. Some are fairly easy to weld and some are near impossible. They can be welded using several processes but from what little you have given me to go on this is the best rule of thumb. Please be careful during the cooling process.

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

09/28/2007 11:40 PM

As others have pointed out, the best bet is with oxy-fuel, braze welding and using stick electrode (SMAW).

Use 98% Ni. + 2% Fe (or) 70 % Ni + 30 Cu (or) 55%Ni + 45% Fe. Electrodes from any reputed brands . Still U want it easy & economical, try E 304 / E308 (18 % Cr + 8 %Ni) (or) E 309 (25% Cr + 12 % Ni). All are available off the shelf.

Rust can be removed by any mechanical means, like wire brushing, etc.

Among Oxy -Fuel (M S filler wire) and Braze welding (with brass filler rod) later is better. But the torches are different.

U have not mentioned about the thickness of the job. As a good welding procedure, pre heat to 200 - 300 0 C and above & slow cooling will help to avoid cracks during welding..

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Re: Repairing old wrought iron furniture

04/21/2011 6:31 AM

Remove excess debris. Rinse the cast Iron Patio Furniture to remove all excess rust and debris particles. Be sure to thoroughly dry the furniture before painting....

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