Previous in Forum: Rain Gauge, Water Flow Sensor, Silting Sensor in Railway   Next in Forum: Scientists Develop First Fabric to Automatically Cool or Insulate Depending on Conditions
Close
Close
Close
27 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248

What is This?

02/06/2019 9:09 PM

This one is not a contest to see who can find a matching image first, but rather an “I don’t know, but I’d like to…” Of course, if someone can use image matching to answer the question, that's fine too!

A very good friend of mine who is a radio amateur acquired a box of miscellaneous, mostly electronic, stuff. In that box was this item. My friend came to me to ask if I know what it is, and I certainly don’t.

It is generally a cylinder of 0.50” diameter and an assembled base length of ≈6.5”. The main body appears to be black phenolic, with some apparent browning due to age (exposure to sunlight?), and a brass tube filling the entire length inside.

The only marking I can find is “373C” on the main body.

Both ends are removable, again apparently phenolic; one end has brass on the inside. The composition of the phenolic on the ends appears to be slightly different from that of the body, as they show no clear sign of the browning visible on the main body.

One end has the phenolic straight knurled, with a brass insert, which is threaded 5/16-32, and clamps a four-prong collet, which holds a metal strip 0.018” thick, 0.23” wide, and 5.00” long. The strip is definitely magnetic, perhaps nickel plated, and extended roughly 0.2” beyond the collet when originally found. That extended portion is significantly pitted, more on one side than the other. The pitting appears to be the result of corrosion, rather than a result of arcing.

The other end is entirely phenolic, has grip rings cut into the OD, and snaps into position, leaving a section of the man body brass exposed, as if it were to be inserted into something like one end of a fuse holder. Inside this end of the body is a metal strip, very similar to the one in the one held by the collet, but 2.50” long, with a roughly right-angle bend on one end. This piece does not appear to be held in place, and we don’t know whether the bent end was toward the end or the center of the body.

Here are all the parts:

Any ideas?

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9912
Good Answers: 1141
#1

Re: What is this?

02/06/2019 10:41 PM

Here's a wild a$$ guess.

It's some kind of thermal switch and 373C is the Curie point of the magnetic strips, the temperature above which they lose their magnetic properties. (Pure nickel Curie point is 358C, maybe its an alloy of nickel/iron)

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#2
In reply to #1

Re: What is this?

02/06/2019 11:15 PM

Interesting thought! We had thought of a magnetic switch, but had not thought of the Curie temperature. The curie temperature of nickel is 627K, or 354°C, so with just a bit of iron alloyed in, 373°C sounds quite attainable.

ON the other hand, as I indicated in the original post, the brass tube inside the body appears to be continuous from one end to the other. I measure 0.1Ω resistance from the contact ring to the collet, with the long strip completely removed.

Perhaps this could be the core of a coil, part of a resonant circuit that would suddenly move into or out of resonance as it passed the Curie temperature...

On the third hand, 373°C sounds a little high for phenolic, even though 50 or 60 years ago, I believe phenolic was the best economical plastic available for higher temperatures. Teflon™ was new and very expensive.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#11
In reply to #1

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 1:30 PM

Ha! I just noticed that you already had a Curie point temperature for nickel in your post. I didn't see it when I first read it. Fortunately, our sources agree within a few degrees... And we both independently thought of alloying in a bit of iron.

I did look up the temperature limits for Bakelight, the earliest phenolic and quite likely what this is made of, and it's only 90°C for continuous exposure, 105° for brief exposure. So I'm virtually certain that the 373C must have some other significance.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#3

Re: What is this?

02/06/2019 11:25 PM

Tool for checking the polarity of an antenna.....

http://www.l-com.com/blog/post/2017/03/16/All-about-Antenna-Polarity.aspx

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#4
In reply to #3

Re: What is this?

02/06/2019 11:30 PM

Please elaborate! I do understand antenna polarities, but don't see a connection to this device.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#5
In reply to #4

Re: What is this?

02/06/2019 11:38 PM

No clue, just a wag....

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#6

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 12:39 AM

Rather than an antennae testing tool maybe it is a removable antenna itself.

Can you pull out the brass tube? Does it extend?

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#7
In reply to #6

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 11:36 AM

"Can you pull out the brass tube?" No. The phenolic tube has about 0.025" wall thickness, and clearly has a couple of bulges where rings of the brass tube have been pressed in to it. Here's a photo that shows the bulges, if you look closely, about half an inch in from the body end..

Also in this photo, you can see the brass collet and a section of the long strip, with a rounded end. While taking this photo, I noticed that the last 1/4 inch of the strip is tapered (both ends), so the very tip is only about 0.010" thick. Also, now that I looked more closely, I'm not at all sure that the discoloration on the end of that strip is pitting. It may be a deposit of some kind. I was able to remove some of it with my fingernail. I have the impression that if it is rust, it is from contact with some other object.

Here's a photo of the other end, removed from the tube, but with the strip having the bend inserted:

As you can see there are perpendicular slits cut into the phenolic to hold the strip. The two slits have different gap thicknesses. One slit holds the strip tightly, while the strip fits loosely into the other slit. This assembly snaps into the non-threaded end of the brass, and can be rotated to any position after insertion.

Seeing this shows me that the end of the short strip with the bend has to be toward the center of the body.

If the long strip is inserted when the short one with the bend is already in place, the long one hits the short one with about 1.5" still extended. Only a little wiggling makes the long one easily pass the bent one and slide the rest of the way in.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Hmmm...

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 567
Good Answers: 29
#8
In reply to #7

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 1:07 PM

These pics make it look like an Exacto knife with a rounded chisel blade. Possibly blade storage in the handle section? See the collet on this Exacto brand knife.

I tried looking up "hobby knife" on Google and found one that's vaguely similar made by Tamiya. Wasn't able to find an exact match nor was I able to find a rounded blade like that.

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#9
In reply to #8

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 1:15 PM

The collet is indeed very much like that of an Exacto™ knife, but there are no sharp edges. the thinnest tip is still 0.010" thick. I haven't tried filing it, but I don't think this material is very hard.

Still, thanks for the thought! All ideas are welcome, unless/until someone can come up with a definitive answer.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
7
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9912
Good Answers: 1141
#15
In reply to #9

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 6:14 PM

If you want a second opinion, I'm thinking it could be a relay burnishing tool. I think that Western Electric (Bell System) had a lot of special tools that were custom made for their equipment, and 373C might be their part number.

https://www.scribd.com/document/201994561/Bell-System-Burnisher-265C

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 7)
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#16
In reply to #15

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 7:13 PM

BINGO! Thanks a lot! How'd you find it?

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9912
Good Answers: 1141
#17
In reply to #16

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 8:00 PM

Mostly luck, I think. After deciding that C didn't mean Centigrade, I decided it had to be some kind of tool with the part number 373C that fit in a narrow gap.

Many, many years ago as a field engineer, I had to work on a telephone crossbar switch and there was a special tool to clean relay contacts without damaging the gold plated coating. I guess maybe that was in the back of my mind.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#18
In reply to #15

Re: What is this?

02/07/2019 9:42 PM

Nice find!

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Land of Fruits and Nuts
Posts: 4481
Good Answers: 54
#22
In reply to #15

Re: What is this?

02/08/2019 12:10 AM

Good one! It's a burnishing tool holder 373C. The inside blade is the burnishing tool 374 A (B or C). These are from the old Bell Telephone Company (AT&T).

__________________
Enjoy and be happy! Life is too short!
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Land of Fruits and Nuts
Posts: 4481
Good Answers: 54
#23
In reply to #8

Re: What is this?

02/08/2019 12:11 AM

Great observation! The blade (burnishing tool) would fit in the slots, just like the knife you copied.

__________________
Enjoy and be happy! Life is too short!
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 238
Good Answers: 14
#10

Re: What is This?

02/07/2019 1:24 PM

I recall a mechanical pencil that had a collet like that. Is anything spring loaded. If I remember correctly the pencil I am talking about was spring loaded. Push one end and the collet loosens up on the other end to slide the lead in or out.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#12
In reply to #10

Re: What is This?

02/07/2019 2:43 PM

I thought I was going to include a photo of one of those, but I didn't find it... I know I still have one somewhere. I thought it might be with my collection of slide rules, drafting templates, and French curves, but it wasn't there.

There are no springs in the unknown device.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#13

Re: What is This?

02/07/2019 3:04 PM

I'd send these photos to the ARRL. I'd bet some member would know.

www.arrl.org/home

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#14
In reply to #13

Re: What is This?

02/07/2019 3:22 PM

Interesting thought. although I'm not yet fully convinced that it's a radio device.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Hemet, Land of milk and honey.
Posts: 2365
Good Answers: 36
#19

Re: What is This?

02/07/2019 11:01 PM

Part of a military radio antenna.

Register to Reply
3
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Land of Fruits and Nuts
Posts: 4481
Good Answers: 54
#20

Re: What is This?

02/08/2019 12:05 AM

I saw someone beat me to it. My better half worked for AT&T and she saw these at work. We looked in her manual and sure enough, it's there. Please note that she wasn't a tech - she answered phones. There were lots of these special tools laying around the facility.

Good find for the person who beat us to it!

__________________
Enjoy and be happy! Life is too short!
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 3)
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Land of Fruits and Nuts
Posts: 4481
Good Answers: 54
#21
In reply to #20

Re: What is This?

02/08/2019 12:08 AM

The blade is part no 374A, 374B and 374C.

__________________
Enjoy and be happy! Life is too short!
Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 7
#24

Re: What is This?

02/08/2019 11:01 AM

The 'burnishing tool' suggestion is indeed correct. While still in college I worked over one summer for Illinois Bell preparing a central office for cut-over from #5 crossbar to ESS. These tools were all over the #5 crossbar area of the building.

My favorite memories from this job were when I was working the night shift. At 2:00 in the morning the sounds from the relays were infrequent, a click-click here, a clack-clack there. As our community awoke and began their day, the office crescendoed. By 8:00, the din from the relays was so loud and continuous, conversation in the crossbar aisles was difficult without raising one's voice. Hearing the village come to life each morning was rather magical. I suspect today's central offices sound pretty much the same any time of the day or night.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#25
In reply to #24

Re: What is This?

02/08/2019 11:07 AM

Thanks. I see in Rixter's link, that the drawing is dated 1976. Is that generally the time frame of your experience?

We really appreciate all the replies to this thread. Curiosity was intense...

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 7
#26
In reply to #25

Re: What is This?

02/08/2019 11:17 AM

Quite a coincidence. Yes, it was in fact the summer of 1976 in Wheaton, Il. I graduated high school (Glenbard West in Glen Ellyn) in '75.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 973
Good Answers: 9
#27

Re: What is This?

02/12/2019 9:26 AM

Let me guess. Uhmm...it's hard on 373 deg C only. Otherwise, it's sag.

That's it guys, I am out of here. Just dropping by to say hello to yah all. It's good you're all doing fine.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 27 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Autobroker (4); Bruce Morriss (2); dkwarner (9); gutmonarch (1); harley (1); IdeaSmith (1); Lo_Volt (1); lyn (1); Rixter (3); SolarEagle (3); tonyhemet (1)

Previous in Forum: Rain Gauge, Water Flow Sensor, Silting Sensor in Railway   Next in Forum: Scientists Develop First Fabric to Automatically Cool or Insulate Depending on Conditions

Advertisement