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Bollard Pull in lbs. on a Rectangular Frame

03/23/2019 9:42 PM

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  • I have a rectangular frame, 12'L x 5'W x 12'L x 5'W
  • The frame is perfectly ( or as near as) Vertical, under the water.
  • The Frame is made with 2" OD aluminum Sched 40 pipe
  • Is there a way to calculate, how much Bollard pull in exerted by the frame IF it is being towed 3mph through dead calm , no current water.
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Re: Bollard Pull in lbs. on a Rectangular Frame

03/24/2019 12:24 AM

Found this, has some formulas, but I think to get an accurate measurement you'll need to measure lb pull on tow lines in actual use...

https://www2.gov.scot/Uploads/Documents/Green%20No%207.pdf

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03/24/2019 12:48 AM

What I would do is measure the drag force so that you could reverse engineer the drag coefficient of the different frame sizes...you need to know the drag coefficient for doing calculations...

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03/24/2019 10:32 AM

SE.

The first equation is for nets. I have that already calculated

I am hoping someone can give me the Bollard Pull for the frame only.

I have access to Load Cells, but this job requires I know the estimated BP before

I have the frame constructed.

OSHA sets limits now on maximum BP on Research vessels. . . . . so I have to have an idea of what the net and the frame will yield before we build.

Thank you for the reply.

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03/24/2019 10:44 AM

The link contains the formula for drag....here's another

https://www.brighthubengineering.com/hydraulics-civil-engineering/58434-drag-force-for-fluid-flow-past-an-immersed-object/

Handy calculator...

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/drag-equation

Seawater density is about 1.0240 g/cm3 at 20°C...

The drag force can be expressed as:

Fd = cd 1/2 ρ v2 A (1)

where

Fd = drag force (N)

cd = drag coefficient

ρ = density of fluid (1.2 kg/m3 for air at NTP)

v = flow velocity (m/s)

A = characteristic frontal area of the body (m2)

The drag coefficient is a function of several parameters like shape of the body, Reynolds Number for the flow, Froude number, Mach Number and Roughness of the Surface.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/drag-coefficient-d_627.html

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03/24/2019 1:54 PM

really nice calculator. If I were a tad bit more science inclined I could plug and play.

I'm not.

I design on my 35 years of experience with water pressure, tides, velocity , hull shape and HP.

Its not very scientific and there is probably a 25% variation but it has gotten me close enough.

Any help is appreciated in coming to a round-about poundage of Bollard Pull

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03/24/2019 10:47 AM

The drag force is proportional to the frontal area times the coefficient of drag times the density times the velocity squared:

"Any object moving through a fluid experiences drag - the net force in the direction of flow due to pressure and shear stress forces on the surface of the object.

The drag force can be expressed as:

Fd = cd 1/2 ρ v2 A (1)

where

Fd = drag force (N)

cd = drag coefficient

ρ = density of fluid (1.2 kg/m3 for air at NTP)

v = flow velocity (m/s)

A = characteristic frontal area of the body (m2) "

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/drag-coefficient-d_627.html

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/CylinderDrag.html

Reynolds Number for 3 mph, 2 in dia water flow ~ 200000, CD ~1

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/reynolds-number-d_237.html

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03/24/2019 12:52 PM

Can you indicate the shape and orientation of the frame as it moves through the water?

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03/24/2019 1:48 PM

Nothing has changed since I was last on here...I'm NOT engineered oriented.

Can I get a number?

Yes, I am too old and lazy to try to solve the equation.... not my forte.

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03/24/2019 2:23 PM

I get about 148 lbs for the frame only at 3 mph....weight of the aluminum frame in water should be reduced by about 1/3....Weight of the aluminum pipe should be about 1.26 lbs per ft on dry land....~28 lbs in water...176 lbs total

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03/24/2019 2:02 PM

I have the figures on the net...however I have to add in the BP of the frame too.

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03/24/2019 4:31 PM

Here's a calculator. I don't know how accurate it is.

I don't know exactly what 5' x 12' x 5' x 12' means, so I calculated the force for each linear foot. Frontal area = 1/6 sqft per foot. CD = 1. (See post #5).

You can multiply drag/foot by the total linear feet to get total force.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/drag-equation

13.952N = 3.1365 pounds per linear foot.

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03/24/2019 4:59 PM

I used a 1.35 drag coefficient for worst case scenario....as well as 2" ID pipe measurement....

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03/24/2019 8:23 PM

Thank you.

That number will give me something to start with.

Thanks again.

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