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1-Component Resin in External Paving Joint Grout for Paving

05/02/2019 9:51 AM

Dear People,

Can anybody tell me/know what is the resin/s used in and the packaging process of Resin based joint compound that is vacuum packed. When the vacuum pack bag is opened in general the paving slabs are sprayed with water first then the jointing compound is swept into the gaps and cures by means of moisture/air.

We are in need of producing the same kind of process but instead of sand small aggregate 1-3 mm for a project in the middle east where we don't have the time to mix the aggregate separately with the resin in mixers then lay the system, time being of the essence as the project has to cover large areas in only a 4 hour slot each day and the mixing on site will take 2 hours of the 4.

We are looking for the known methods and what resins and or polymer's probably P.U based as well as being Aliphatic opposed to aromatic because of the sun and the appearance having to be stable.

The resin has to be something like a 1-component, high solids, medium viscosity, hard-elastic P.U binder that can be trafficked .

The problem we are having is that in fact we have 1-component resins that we use for our product but once vacuum packed in varies ways the product still sets within 24 hours, so this can not be what is used in sand resin pointing compound or we are missing something.

So does anyone know the correct way in which we need to achieve this and the correct resins polymers to used that will not set once vacuum packed ?. The aggregate dry vacuum packed is giving a reading of 0.1 percent oxygen the same as grouting compound the best we have achieved is 0.3 with our 1 component resin but still sets within 24 hours under vacuum pack, some one said the resin needs to be more paraffin based, others say more polybutadiene agent for bonding based.

Ideally we are looking for a u.k manufacturer of the resin we need to use, but all information chemical/resin and polymers we need to be using and the correct process of vacuum packing the product s all needed because we are at present obviously doing something wrong.

All information needed.

Many Thanks.

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Re: 1-componant Resin in external Paving joint grout for paving

05/02/2019 11:28 AM

Have you tried to contact chemical/resin and polymer makers/suppliers/distributors?

Search this site under "Products and Services" for Monomers, Intermediates, and Base Polymers Industrial Sealants.

Here's a specification that may help. Standard Specification for Elastomeric Joint Sealants -- ASTM C920-18

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Re: 1-componant Resin in external Paving joint grout for paving

05/02/2019 11:37 AM

Hi yes but so far no joy, have not looked on here for suppliers, we do infact have resins made for us, but no one seems to know and I do not know the technical name or chemical name of what we are looking for and need, of course I can ask a supplier/manufacturer: do you manufacture the resin/polymer that goes in to this product but not getting very far, really looking for some body with knowledge that can say, o yes you need this and or again somebody that just knows.

Many thanks.

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Re: 1-componant Resin in external Paving joint grout for paving

05/02/2019 3:23 PM

Good luck!

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05/02/2019 1:55 PM

Have you tried filling the bags with an inert gas like nitrogen first?

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05/02/2019 3:25 PM

Yes, tried several versions and times of gas flushing, all fail, I think it's the Resin that's why we really need the advise of somebody with experience to this type of product.

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05/02/2019 3:53 PM

Could you use a premixed grout and just coat it with a hard polymer resin...

https://www.florock.net/resin-floor-types/

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Re: 1-componant Resin in external Paving joint grout for paving

05/02/2019 6:09 PM

No this is not what we are looking for, we have our own aggregate to use. But thanks anyway.

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05/02/2019 10:53 PM

This is what I got out of your question.

A. " time being of the essence "

B. " because at present we are obviously doing something wrong "

Under A. I see your need to help the company succeed.

Under B. I see that you have realized that your superiors are mucking things up and why are you sticking around ?

Another solution would be to call in a team of p.e.'s , although that is what you start with.

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05/02/2019 11:00 PM

Contact the resin / or the manufacturer of the resin bags, proceed from that point. You have the product in front of you.

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Re: 1-Component Resin in External Paving Joint Grout for Paving

05/03/2019 12:51 AM

Urethane perhaps?

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05/03/2019 9:03 AM

From my personal experience in one case I had a company custom formulate a two part epozy to seal the light strips I manufactured for running boards quite successful and profitable I might add. Also at one time I worked for a chemical company and all their products, ingredients and formula's were supplied by BASF. The custom formulation company is in Trenton Ontario Canada http://www.indsale.com/ I am not affilitate with any of these companies.

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Re: 1-Component Resin in External Paving Joint Grout for Paving

05/04/2019 4:58 AM

Given the location I suspect that your 4 hour slot is from dawn to the time that it becomes too hot to lay the surface. If it is a single batch why not mix under work lights for the two hours before dawn?

Your product should need a variation coefficient (CoV) no more accurate than 0.5 which in the low shear mixer that you need for the polymer equates to a mixing time of 15-20 minutes per batch. Unless for some odd reason you are trying to mix the whole quantity in a single batch which would increase the time to achieve the correct dispersion and coating but still not 2 hours. You can start laying as soon as the first batch is mixed so you have a lot more than 2 hours to lay even mixing within your time slot.

Please explain the type of mixer you are using, the batch size and the criteria behind your time limitation.

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