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Birds Are in Decline in North America

10/03/2019 4:49 PM

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There are several reasons including

  • Pesticides
  • GMO crops with built-in pesticides
  • Bird Flu
  • Wind powered generators
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Of course, climate change, the 800 POUND GORILLA has nothing to do with it?

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10/05/2019 12:24 PM

Dear Lyn,

Now that we have both been chastised by admin, I realize it’s way past time to clear the air. This may take more than 1 post. I was going to offer a “cease fire”, meaning that I wouldn’t criticize you on your threads if you don’t do it on mine, but I don’t think that will work with you. Instead I plan to be nicer even if you don’t. And somebody has to counter your boloney and propaganda. You’ve got to admit that you resorted to name-calling first, and your insults were very deep. Some of that is still uncensored in recent threads. My instinct was to react with equal force and equal insults, but no more. I am impressed with the way Solar Eagle does it. By the way, he and I are not always on the same side.

Now concerning your GAs. In a personal message to SE and me, you accused us both of deleting some of your GAs, and him twice. You also questioned our Christianity for it. He replied after me and denied it, so now you are coming after me. Your impressive GA count is not likely to be outdone in the foreseeable future, and certainly not by me. I hope your self-esteem isn’t tied to that. You realize I only get 1 vote. Take a look at Who’s Online. The number of unregistered users always far outnumbers the members. Look at each thread. The number of views always far outnumbers the posts. I assume that each of those gets a vote. I decided years ago not to delete anyone’s GA. However, if I see someone posting politics on a non-political thread (especially my own), that’s an obvious OT, and I reserve the right to mark it as such. I don’t see anything un-Christian about that. When I do the aforementioned, I expect to get voted OT (my post on your thread was 7 OT last time I looked). You apparently don’t expect that. Go figure. I don’t blame the people who posted for my OTs. You apparently do. How sad.

To wrap this up, good fellow, can you play nice?

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10/05/2019 3:13 PM

Read my PM again. There is no accusation there, only a statement of fact. I won't take the time to post it here.

Remember too, that my admonishment was for being too political, yours on the other hand, was for attacking another member.

In many of your controversial threads, you attack years of scientific fact with what I consider propaganda and NOT science nor engineering. Anyone can find sources that bolster their position, no matter how untenable that position may be. Breitbart and other far right leaning sites are not based on any science that I was taught, or learned, in high school or college, or later on in life.

You might want to ask the residents of YAKUTSK, Russia how they feel about climate change.

"As the Arctic, including much of Siberia, warms at least twice as fast as the rest of the world, the permafrost — permanently frozen ground — is thawing. Oddities like the wolf’s head have been emerging more frequently in a land already known for spitting out frozen woolly mammoths whole." That uote is from the NY Times article.

Melting Permafrost | Weather Underground

Melting Russian permafrost could speed up global warming and ...

I do not stand alone in my disdain of climate deniers, I'm just more vocal then most here.

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10/05/2019 3:32 PM

Oh really? I'll take that as a no. The New York Times is a far left as Breitbart is right. Almost anybody would admit that. I don't believe much of what they say. It's not a source of truth, only bias. I disdain climate alarmists as much as you disdain people who challenge your beliefs. You never present facts, only your beliefs. If you believe Al Gore's BS, why haven't you moved to Canada?

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10/05/2019 4:07 PM

Your reply deserves no comment, except this.

The NYT qoute was added to bolster the reality of climate change and PERMA FROST MELTING. Do some unbiased research on PREMA-FROST MELTING! Don't take my word for it.

If you do not believe that PERMA-FROST IS MELTING, then you are beyond hope and should find a like minded conspiracy forum and join it.

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10/03/2019 5:17 PM

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I have harvested chokecherries the past 2 years. Previously the birds got most of them. I don't think even 1 was eaten by a bird this year. I now have lots of grasshoppers, but have seen no bird eating them. There are still robins, mourning doves, hawks and some small birds around. I don't miss the "dive bombers" that used to deposit on my car windshield. They have been gone for 5-10 years.

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10/03/2019 5:20 PM

I think the problem is quite clear...

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Growth-of-the-house-cat-population-in-the-United-States-over-time-Population-estimates_fig1_41101366

..."Cats that live in the wild or indoor pets allowed to roam outdoors kill from 1.4 billion to as many as 3.7 billion birds in the continental U.S. each year, says a new study that escalates a decades-old debate over the feline threat to native animals."...Jan 29, 2013

..."Their introduction has caused the extinction of at least 33 endemic species on islands throughout the world. Feral and domestic cats kill billions of birds in the United States every year, where songbird populations continue to decline."...

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/science/21birds.html

Kill all cats!!!

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10/03/2019 5:28 PM

Not Dell! I like him.

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10/03/2019 5:43 PM

No you don't, you just think you do because you are infected with the dreaded Toxoplasma gondii....

..."The mind-controlling parasite, called Toxoplasma gondii, might make permanent changes in brain function as soon as it gets in there, the researchers report. They aren't sure how yet. ... This makes infected rodents much more likely to be caught by cats, which eat them and their mind-controlling parasites."...Sep 18, 2013

..."Up to 50 percent of global population is infected by the 'cat parasite' Toxoplasma gondii, and in some areas, the infection rate is as high as 95 percent. Unless you get tested, there’s no way of knowing that you’re infected, but it’s been associated with a number of mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder."...

https://www.sciencealert.com/we-finally-know-how-the-mind-altering-cat-parasite-controls-our-immune-response

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/do-cats-control-my-mind/282045/

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10/03/2019 7:28 PM

."Up to 50 percent of global population is infected by the 'cat parasite' Toxoplasma gondii, and in some areas, the infection rate is as high as 95 percent...."

That explains a lot!

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10/05/2019 3:11 PM

Cat germs have destroyed this man's mind....

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10/05/2019 5:08 PM

The cats in my yard are going after mice. Your chart would be more effective if it showed cat population vs bird decline. I doubt if you can find one, though you might be able to make one. It's rather amusing to think cats are a big factor (I doubt you do).

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10/05/2019 6:29 PM

...."Yet the problem did not flare into the public consciousness until about 25 years ago, with the publication of a pioneering study by Stanley Temple, professor emeritus of conservation and wildlife ecology at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. By radio-tracking cats and examining stomach contents and feces, Temple studied the hunting behavior and diet of free-ranging cats, then estimated how many of the animals lived in rural Wisconsin. His results showed that, yes, cats do kill birds—on average 5.6 per cat per year. Extrapolating to rural areas statewide, he estimated that 1.4 million free-ranging country cats killed as many as 7.8 million birds each year. Temple’s research earned him angry phone calls, hate mail (including death threats) and other attacks that continue today."...

https://www.nwf.org/Magazines/National-Wildlife/2017/Oct-Nov/Animals/The-Cat-Conundrum

At present rates of cat population growth, all wild birds will be extinct by the end of this century...The infected humans are brain controlled and unwilling or able to assert a defensive attack against the felonious feline foes...Unless the birds are able to infect the cats with some lethal bird flu, the battle will be lost....it's natures biological warfare and at stake are the lives of billions of colorful songbirds that brighten the lives of people everywhere....so sad

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10/05/2019 7:49 PM

Caught in the act, you dirty cat burglar!

All of the sources of bird deaths add up. I'll admit I used to have robins build nests under my deck. A cat would climb up the post and get the babies some years. It didn't happen this year (no nest). Early this spring (or maybe a few days before) during a blizzard, 100-200 fat robins landed in my yard. It was an unusual and welcome site. They would fly from tree to tree, and land on my patio trying to stay warm. No cat was seen then. They all flew away by the next day. I saw an occasional robin after that.

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10/03/2019 7:26 PM

Bird flu:

nytimes.com/2008/01/31/world/asia/31iht-flu

"Scientists have genetically modified chickens so they do not transmit avian influenza virus to other chickens. This advance could prevent the spread of avian flu outbreaks within poultry flocks and has the potential to reduce the threat of a bird flu epidemic in the human population."

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mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bird-flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20368455

A different virus that humans can get:

ten-equine-cases-of-west-nile-virus-confirmed-in-colorado-state-department-of-agriculture-says

A year or two ago when I was sick they tested me for it. I didn't have it then, but there were markers in my blood that indicated I had had it previously.

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10/03/2019 8:00 PM

"According to the American Bird Conservancy, 600,000 birds succumbed to death in 2012 due to collisions with wind turbines. A 2000 ABC report documented more than 550 Yellow-billed Cuckoo deaths at just 17 towers."

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10/05/2019 5:19 PM

Don't forget the bats and wind turbines.

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10/03/2019 11:07 PM

If I don't see 50 to 100 birds a day stopping through my yard it's not a day.

Last night my dog got hit with a little skunk spray. Last week there was a raccoon in my

front tree.

Cats on the prowl keeping rats in check.

Turtle rocking the pond.

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10/04/2019 8:33 AM

The aggregate weight of all insects on this globe vastly exceeds the aggregate weight of all humans...

One is never more than 10m/30ft away from a rat...

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10/04/2019 3:44 AM

Since they banned cock fighting, the local chicken farmer closed down. He used to mail 6-10 birds a month. Got more than enough pigeons and their cousins "Carolina Pigeons". At least 3 locals keep them, as I frequently see flocks circling with my morning coffee. Plenty of hawks, but have never seen one catch anything. I once saw an egret flying with a large snake

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10/04/2019 5:44 AM

Everyone understands that the birds were never actually counted.. just estimated..

Not that an estimate is ever skewed, but I'm not sure I buy the whole story.

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Some turtles are faster than others...

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10/05/2019 5:18 PM

"It's not just the bees that are dying. Butterfly and bird populations are in decline, too. And it's not just the neonicotinoids that are to blame. Other herbicides and pesticides, especially Monsanto's Roundup, used to grow GMO crops-and also used to contain (kill) weeds in cities and home gardens-are decimating pollinators, fish and wildlife, and some would argue, humans, too."

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10/05/2019 5:24 PM

Fewer bugs and that includes Bees, whatever the reasons, pesticides, climate, whatever, fewer birds, fewer bats, less pollinated (yes some common bugs pollinate and some bats pollinate night plants like tequilla is made from, etc etc.) Wake up America/world to what all the pesticides are doing even if the climate was perfect year after year and habitat keep getting smaller and more pesticides are used. Did you know some of the first flowers available for food for many bees after winter is the Dandelion? What do the commercials show for you to buy and kill? Dandelions.

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10/07/2019 8:27 AM

Windows and cats completely overshadow everything else.

https://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mortality/

And pesticides are VERY significantly higher than wind power...

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10/07/2019 4:00 PM

GA and thanks for that, though I doubt the accuracy of it. Large buildings have been around for a long time, though not as many. Pesticide use and type have changed and wind power has increased rapidly.

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10/07/2019 4:22 PM

..didn't get the memo

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10/07/2019 5:11 PM

I said decline, not incline. Oh, but that depends on point of view! Example: To the optimist the glass is half full. To the pessimist the glass is half empty. To the engineer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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