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5G and COVID-19

04/02/2020 12:03 AM

The internet now is rife with dooms-dayers, prophets, experts, etc, etc. But one recurring topic now is the link between 5G and COVID-19. What are your thoughts?

I don't personally know (not in this line of engineering) so thought I would ask us engineers (and hopefully experts in the comms field) to comment.

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04/02/2020 12:07 AM

What link?

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04/02/2020 12:16 AM

That's almost like saying that if she weighs the same as a duck, she must be made of wood, and since wood burns, she must be a witch.

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04/02/2020 12:36 AM

Is that a 5G apple?

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04/03/2020 10:11 AM

Simply Love the pic.

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04/02/2020 11:08 AM

Is that a scene from Monty Python I hear? Lol...

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04/02/2020 3:56 PM

Ya think?

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04/02/2020 7:07 PM

Let just say,... I try...

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04/03/2020 10:14 AM

Very cavalier and disorganized paraphrase of an otherwise logical train of thought. Witches float. Ducks float. Wood floats. Therefore if she weighs the same as a duck, you should treat her like wood, which also burns. Therefore burn the witch.

Doesn't discuss the likelihood of ducks as a fuel source, though. The otherwise relative scarcity of witches makes them an unlikely basis for an industrial revolution and a modern energy based economy, one where the radiation from 5G transmitters may cause a mutation of a common virus to something virulent when fed to a Pangolin in a wild meat market in, say, Wuhan, China.

Do Pangolin float? Is there a market for Pangolin-based swimwear?

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04/03/2020 3:22 PM

Fetchez la vache.

Run away . . . . Run away . . .

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04/18/2020 9:45 AM

Don't forget that very small rocks also float.

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04/02/2020 9:33 AM

Some people will believe anything. If only they were as open to well reasoned ideas as they are to the outlandish ideas.

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04/02/2020 3:15 PM

A lot of people seem to be hooked on sensationalism....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_journalism

Seems to be the dime novel of the modern age...

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04/02/2020 3:26 PM

You can forget about a savior, too.

The more outlandish the claim, the more people hold onto it with a vengeance.

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04/02/2020 3:30 PM

Next week headlines on the Onion.

’That was luck...’ the mom he was assigned to, was scheduled for an abortion.

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04/02/2020 11:23 AM

Most unlikely that telecommunication operators are into this as compared to high ranking officials and politicians in the government- the top 1%.-the elite

But needs investigation.

This COVID 19 is a man-made crap.

Looking to the windows of darkness, a metal band release an album titled " I, the Mask" same year prior months of Dec. 2019.

Coincidence? I think not, people in the realm of the dead knew this COVID 19 is coming years before. They - the schemers, they are the dead that walk the Earth.

Bill Gates talk about this shit years ago.

O like they did in 911

We ate dead flu chickens when I was young, but for years we never developed this last decades viral infection.

When chicken flu strike almost all chicken dies within a region.

I am not into dead ducks by the way

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04/02/2020 12:07 PM

You should get over this cr@p of a fantasy this disease was engineered by people. People may have unwittingly played a role in the live animal food markets but nobody knows this was the mechanism that allowed this mutation to become a pandemic. Civilization has repeatedly dealt with pandemics over the span of recorded history. Sometimes a pandemic reveals a common practice as dangerous. Such as separating sewage and drinking water supplies. Live animal food markets may become the next change but it is too soon to say.

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04/02/2020 12:30 PM

I've heard that it was, but didn't see much for evidence. Can you post it?

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04/02/2020 3:21 PM

I misread that post.

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04/02/2020 3:39 PM

This very well may be how people played a role in creating this disease but right now we do not know. Remember there is a fundamental difference between thinking and knowing.

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04/02/2020 3:47 PM

We’ve experience a lot from our government that wasted and spent a lot of time and expense on the ‘thinking part’ and not enough on the ‘knowing part’ the past few years.

And it’s still going on.

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04/02/2020 4:15 PM

Often people's impatience leads to rapid effort based on speculations. The methodical practice of analysis, planning, execution and testing is just so boring!

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04/02/2020 5:33 PM

Common sense is enough to close these wet markets....cross-contamination in an environment like those depicted is a gimme....

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04/03/2020 10:21 AM

I read some weeks ago that the UN send a communication to China to close all wet markets; was that abandoned?

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04/03/2020 10:48 PM

I doubt if China will take a command from the UN. They are more likely to respond to a trade threat from President Trump.

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04/02/2020 7:23 PM

That’s so true, too much knee jerk reactions.

thats why you don’t have one person making decision, but a group to add details of cause and effect of decisions.

How’s that saying go?... let cooler head prevail.

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04/04/2020 12:58 AM

Love the graphic . . .

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04/04/2020 9:57 AM

Unfortunately, this is Life imaging art, and Art imitating life.

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04/03/2020 12:20 AM

You saw the video how these acclaimed experts say "there is a big probability/chances that the virus came from..". And people are too naive and will readily accept it as facts.

We engineers don't. Why? You should know the answer of that. How these experts differ from us thinkers if they say probability/chances? No difference at all.

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04/03/2020 12:15 PM

Oh?? Why do engineers then always insist on a margin of safety in all their designs? Yes, the load can change, the use can change, the installation can be faulty... For engineers, the size of error that can be described as probability may be significantly smaller, but it is not zero.

Covid-19 is one of about 20 viruses (viri?) that all share a common form and way of working. SARS is another. They have been found to exist in different animals in the jungles and fields. After SARS we had an opportunity to prepare ourselves for the spread of another one of these viruses--we were even warned to expect one--but very few did (such as Taiwan).

What is the bending stress on a beam of length "x" and distributed (or point) load "y"? Very few variables in this engineering calculation. Compare this to a question that involves thousands and millions of variables/interactions. In that realm, the answers are described in terms of hypotheses, suggestions, apparent causes, probabilities... Gathering data takes time. The way a question is asked influences the way it is answered as well as the way one seeks for answers. The data may be invalid because a variable was not controlled or even known to exist.

If you feel safe and secure as an engineer, working with problems that have reasonably small possibilities for error, go for it. I, for one, enjoy the challenge of looking at the beautifully diverse and amazing range of this world's expressions of chemistry, physics, biology, oceanography, etc., and then trying to understand these relationships to myself and others.

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04/03/2020 12:46 AM

People are naive and will readily accept that. Right? Exactly, a perfect CON.

What are the chances that ANTHRAX will be used these days than these corona viruses? Most unlikely ZERO. Why? Its because people will now its coming from the government and people would know that.

These guys knew these virus is coming. What are the chances they would predict an exact thing if its not rigged?

I know how the dark keeps secret and tell it deliberately without us having a clue or evidence to pin point they did it. I've seen it in movies. Master Mason claimed they know it too.

The dark is proud of what he did and what he will do and tell it publicly without ordinary people knowing it. He is designed that way. Like all murderers and thief can't keep secret, a proud heart tells the story to somebody.

The uncle of my cousin was a policeman also a murderer, and his story reaches in the clan that hi sleep was taken without seeing blood on his hand. He killed lots of robbers and thieves and would tell it to my cousins even to the point of how to slaughter a man in details. He was never been jailed. But he died slowly and long bed laden with a gruesome disease.

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04/14/2020 2:03 PM

Actually, Robert Kyosake has some clue, where this virus came from. I am convinced, it is very convincing. Someone out there is just saving all your a** in the expense of many

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04/17/2020 8:35 AM

Agree and it's happened throughout the history but now the balloons needs an extension to inflate further.

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Valuable information - Thank you!

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04/03/2020 8:12 AM

I would have to agree - had it been engineered as a biological weapon, this virus has such a dismal success rate at actually killing the people whom it infects, that its designers would be rapidly relegated to Láodòng Gaizào for having failed the state.

It's quite likely though, that governments around the world are taking real notice of the financial devastation that this relatively mild pandemic has created in such a short time, and some will be pigeon holing the results for future consideration.

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04/02/2020 11:40 PM

One of my sons sent me a link to the so called link, but I have deleted it now. It basically was saying that 60 GHz signals were making people drop over and triggering the virus into activity. The rebuttal said that there were no 60 GHz 5G signals in use, and that most 5G was 6 GHz and less. If you want to post something then we can respond. Otherwise you will be getting more of the irrelevant posts you have gotten so far.

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04/03/2020 3:14 AM

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof....you have no proof at all, much less extraordinary proof....no smoking gun....nothing but fever dream fantasy...Maybe it's aliens attacking, or maybe it's the bacteria fighting back, or maybe it's a super-villain like in the movies, or maybe it's just a made-up conspiracy theory like the rest of your stories...products of a sick mind....seek help

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04/03/2020 11:02 AM

This fellow has his opinion which is obviously off but maybe there is something to some of it. You guys asked for it so here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

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Lots of holes in his train of thought. Claiming that a virus does not cause disease is the first one he states. He cites specific pandemics and tries to link them to new developments in radio communication, but does not look at any of the pandemics that were previous to this. This type of theory I would call "pseudo-science"--a train of thought that picks and chooses its points of view and then finds support in separate and poorly-connected pieces of science or history.... Many will agree, but I am one who sees many more aspects to the totality of health and history.

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04/07/2020 6:11 PM

Well, again I say "I don't know"...That's why I wanted it up for discussion. But in the UK it seems to be real issue...

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04/08/2020 2:29 AM

Again, it is akin to the Salem witch trials, ducks not withstanding.

Since 5G is non-ionizing radiation, it is difficult to postulate a scenario that impacts the cells. One could say that standing in sunlight might make the virus worse or better.

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04/08/2020 7:10 AM

Also the electromagnetic bandwidths 5G NR occupies were previously used by other services including satellite communication. In other words we already have been exposed to these frequencies yet no pandemic existed then.

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So a corona type virus can be transmitted via radio waves? WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!! Yeah, I don't see the connection.

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I do agree with the assumption that 5G frequency is a much harmful for our immunity system. Moreover the next phase of 5G application would be more dangerous. Yes, I am pointing towards the installation of microchips in human body. It will definitely kill our privacy.

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Ok...but how do you come to that "assumption that 5G frequency is a much harmful for our immunity system". What is your assumption based on?

I'm just looking for answers, not because "I saw it on..." or because someone said so. That is why I posted this question originally here...I want proper engineering proof one way or the other.

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Trolls don't need facts or data. They just need to excite.

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Though a disputed personality but I think David Icke talks with reasoning.

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I know several well reasoned schizophrenics. I just can't find their sources.

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"Though a disputed personality but I think David Icke talks with reasoning."

Uhm...

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

David Icke is a human singularity of insanity best known for his "reptoid" conspiracy theory. He came to fame as an English footballer and sports commentator and used to be a spokesman for the Green Party of England and Wales, but since 1991 has devoted his life to informing the world that it's actually secretly controlled by evil shape-shifting lizard-people from the 4th dimension. Genuinely. As you could expect, this makes Poe's Law a pretty big issue on the topic of this guy.

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05/11/2020 11:26 AM

So he read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy about the planet ruled by lizards who are elected every four years by the humanoids. The lizards hate the humanoids and the humanoids hate the lizards. When asked why they would vote for a hated lizard, a humanoid responded, If we didn't then the wrong lizard would get in.

Adopting a fictional work by a sci-fi author is a good basis for a conspiracy theory. It worked for Scientology.

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