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RF Smoke Signals

09/09/2020 5:19 PM

No sign of intelligent life:

https://www.digitalmunition.me/massive-search-for-alien-technology-in-10-million-star-systems-finds-no-signals/

Are we looking for "smoke signals"aka; RF communication signals originating from alien civilizations?

The universe has been around much longer than the human species,plenty of civilizations have probably advanced to the point that RF is as ancient to their technology as smoke signals would seem to us.

They may be using entanglement to communicate across the vast distances of the universe.We don't know how now,but we may learn someday.

If aliens have visited our planet,why would they want to stop and communicate with such a primitive society? They may pass through as tourists,and look out at the primitive culture we have;Always fighting somewhere on the planet,from microscopic creatures all the way up the food chain to the top.

We are in the rural outskirts of the galaxy for a reason:to prevent our infecting the rest of the galaxy until we are intelligent enough to live peacefully among ourselves.By the time we develop the skills and knowledge to travel across the galaxy,perhaps we will be intelligent enough to fit in with the really intelligent species.

Tour guide: "No intelligent life forms found here,lets move on.."

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09/09/2020 6:52 PM

The only peaceful society, is a dead society....without conflict there is no stimulation, and without stimulation there is no growth, only stagnation and death....We had advanced societies that lived in harmony with the Earth before the evil white man came(lol)...so you have several examples to ponder....Any advanced society that you are thinking of, would probably hunt us for sport, or worse...

I wouldn't be in a big hurry to be discovered, even though it's you that think of yourself as the discoverer...any 'advanced society' if it truly is, is probably not going to announce their presence until they want something....then it will be too late for us to mount a defense, because they will have planned our fate down to the fine details with their machines....

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09/11/2020 6:30 AM

Life in america was not peace and harmony with nature, there were wars, death, raids, slavery, pillage and rape. some of the tribes were peaceful others were war machines. Comanche tribe was a fierce group that any outsider didn't want to meet be it white or red or any color in between.

It may sound romantic to believe there was harmony here before "the white man", as today's history will have you believe that, but read some old books on the subject for the truth, if they have not yet been burned.

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09/11/2020 9:05 AM

IMHO:

I read with amusement of a species invading Earth for the resources.

What could they possibly want from us?

The asteroid belt has many more minerals and metals than Earth,and many planets are gaseous with methane and hydrogen atmospheres and comets are full of water.

Stars have plenty of plasma and magnetic fields.

So would they view us like watching the gladiator games,and introducing conflict when action gets too slow?

Who knows.

But I also know we would be much further ahead if all of our energies were expended toward peaceful pursuits instead of better ways to kill each other.

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09/11/2020 9:21 AM

You don't have to feed and clothe most of the used cannon fodder after the war. This method of culling the herd is so much more politically acceptable.

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09/11/2020 10:25 AM

More correct for which side,the winners or losers?

Easy to talk if you have never been in a foxhole.

IMHO:You are too cowardly to post under your own name.

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09/11/2020 11:27 AM

I hide because I expected a personal attack. Thank you for proving me right.

Often one side loses less than the other. Sometimes one side suffers punitive reparations from crippling finances to citizen enslavement and all stops in between. But does anybody ever really win a war?

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09/11/2020 12:05 PM

Yes, we won the war against Germany and Japan....the price of freedom is not free...but whatever the cost, the alternative is worse...those that would not fight for their freedom, do not deserve to live in a free country...

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09/11/2020 12:10 PM

Pessimists are never disappointed.

However,a brave man is not afraid to face into the opposing wind and disregard the opinions of others.There are too many opinions to consider and the only one that matters is your own.

When someone tries to offend me,I simply say:

"Sticks and stones may break my bones,,,,,but whips and chains excite me!"

This usually defuses the situation and the opponent grins with surprise.

You are right,no one ever wins a war,everybody hurts.

And the ones that declare the war are not the ones in the trenches on the front lines or driving over concealed IED's.

They are not the ones imprisoned in a haz-mat suit with ambient temperature over 100F, with no fresh air,and ordered to drink a certain amount of water per hour through a straw.

They sit back in their high towers and smoke cigars,and play chess with their fresh ivory chess pieces,and discuss their latest piece of Arm and Nose Candy*;If they were,there would be less fighting.

Why not put the enemy's leaders in the other's leader's seat,and have the first shot aimed at them by their own side?

Who is going to fire the first shot then?

* Arm and Nose Candy refer to the young escort, and Nose candy is snorted.

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09/11/2020 12:42 PM

What could they possibly want from us?

We could sell them our latest high-tech technology items as tourist trinkets, assuming they are collectors of primitive species artifacts...

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09/09/2020 7:02 PM

I think it was Willy Ley that proposed the idea that if aliens are visiting our solar system that they are most likely tourists just visiting the natural wonders. Very much like us visiting the Grand Canyon and ignoring the ants on the ground.

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09/09/2020 7:13 PM

So how long do you think it will be before we discover faster than light travel?...any guesses?...Is it even possible?

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09/09/2020 8:39 PM

Because of time dilation, the passengers of a spaceship traveling at close to the speed of light could travel 100 lightyears in less than 100 years by their time. So, in a sense, they would be traveling "faster than light". As long as they didn't plan to return to or contact earth, there would be no practical difference for these passengers.

There would be considerable engineering problems. It would take a huge amount of energy, and it would be a very bad thing to run into a speck of dust at 0.999c !

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09/09/2020 8:43 PM

Now that is an interesting non sequitur reply to my comment about Willy Ley. Did Bigfoot confuse you about the difference between superluminal travel and communication?

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09/09/2020 10:27 PM

Perhaps the yeti's are visitors from other planets, that's why we can never find them, they just visit for a time while on vacation then fly off in their invisible light ships....

I'm on vacation....

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09/11/2020 8:57 AM

The first ships to attempt a galactic crossing will never make it to the finish;Newer better,faster ships will overtake them,and they in turn will be overtaken by the next generation of ships,etc,etc,until till we finally achieve FTL speed.

Perhaps even worm holes will be found and exploited.

I think Isaac Asimov mentioned this in one of his stories.

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09/10/2020 11:57 PM

There is only a small time period between the discovery of radio and the discovery of nuclear destruction so I predict the chance of finding "intelligent" life by this method quite slim.

I did enjoy the movie Contact, thank you Carl Sagan.

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09/11/2020 6:47 AM

we are part alien life and were visited too soon which changed religion from sun god worship. we are now observed like tribes in the amazon. i often joke that we are an alien high school science fair project, but in reality i don't think it is far off from the truth. Can't go further into detail without being deemed a racist in today's climate.

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