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Why You Can't Take a Good Picture of a Rainbow

09/09/2020 9:53 PM

I ran across this recently and thought it might be of interest. If the rainbow colors are ROY G BIV and the LCD colors are R, G, and B, how can you reproduce Indigo and Violet?

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09/10/2020 1:10 AM

Why not the same way a color TV works?

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09/10/2020 10:15 AM

A <...colo[u]r TV works...> using the additive colo[u]rs of red, green and blue.

A wet chemistry image uses the subtractive colo[u]r complements of cyan, magenta and yellow, for which #3⇓ applies.

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Re: Why you can't take a good picture of a rainbow

09/10/2020 3:14 AM

In wet photography the colour chemistry of the subtractive filters (cyan/magenta/yellow) doesn't extend far enough to enable the indigo and violet to be accurately reproduced.

No information to hand about digital imaging.

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09/10/2020 5:23 AM

https://www.rapidtables.com/web/color/RGB_Color.html

Try 75, 0,130 for indigo

and 148,0,211 for violet

The whole point about RGB and CMYK is that you can make all colours.

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09/10/2020 9:36 AM

True, you can hand-code the colors indigo and violet by adding some red.

The problem is actually not in displaying violet and indigo but in recording it. The eye sees these colors as a mixture of blue and red because the red cones are also sensitive to the violet and indigo part of the spectrum (red bump on left)...

"The erythropsin in the red-sensitive cones is sensitive to two ranges of wavelengths. The major range is between 500 nm and 760 nm, peaking at 600 nm. This includes green, yellow, orange, and red light. The minor range is between 380 nm and 450 nm, peaking at 420 nm. This includes violet and some blue. The minor range is what makes the hues appear to form a circle instead of a straight line."

https://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/huvision.htm

Your camera image sensor has blue, green, and red filters and if the red filter does not have this "bump" at the violet end, violet and indigo light will be recorded as blue with no red component.

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09/10/2020 11:03 PM

OK, I don't know about photographing a rainbow, but I can't figure out this one, either.

This is a picture of one of my JetSkis, taken with a cell phone. Notice the orange registration sticker. At least, it's orange in real life, and in the reflection. However, it appears to be black & white in the direct image.

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09/11/2020 3:17 AM

Then this is a discussion about the perceived colo[u]r, not the measured colo[u]r, which enters into the domain of how the brain works.

  • Try staring for a long time at something that is exclusively one colo[u]r that fills the field of vision, and then look away and see what happens.
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09/11/2020 6:49 AM

I don't think this is a problem of perception

Of course Steve45 could do a better version of this, which might give us more clues.

Steve I've given you a GA though of course its a good question.

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09/11/2020 9:15 AM

I wasn't sure how large a picture I could post, so I went with a relatively low resolution. In this photo, I've cut out just the area of interest and have posted it with a higher resolution.

Hope this helps.

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09/11/2020 7:29 AM

Are boat stickers the same as car plate yearly stickers. They have a weird reflective property. Probably for the authorities to tell if the sticker is counterfeit or not.

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09/11/2020 9:30 AM

They don't appear to be anything other than two solid colors printed on a white vinyl background. The color portion doesn't sparkle or have any 'metalflake' properties that you can see.

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09/12/2020 9:32 AM

Maybe the sticker appears too bright for the camera in the sunlight. The camera adjusts for the whole picture. The reflection is attenuated and you get the true color.

http://www.mdavid.com.au/photography/washedout.shtml

(Just a guess)

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09/12/2020 9:39 AM

If the camera were to have adjusted for the whole picture then the colo[u]r recorded will be different to/than the colo[u]r received.

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09/12/2020 3:22 PM

If the camera were to have adjusted for the whole picture then the colo[u]r recorded will be different to/than the colo[u]r received.

The camera compensates for the brightness by adjusting exposure time and f stop, which controls how light intensity maps to pixel values.

I'm thinking the problem is due to overexposure. Each pixel has sensors behind red, green, and blue filters. Each sensor has a limited dynamic range (e.g., 0-255), and if the amount of light hitting that sensor exceeds the maximum limit, the recorded value clips to 255.

Color is determined by the ratios of the 3 component values for each pixel. Overexposed pixels will have one or more components clipped to 255 and the resultant colour will be brighter and less saturated, closer to white, [255,255,255].

http://www.mdavid.com.au/photography/dynamicrange.shtml

In the picture, the white top of the jetski does appear to be overexposed. The reflection is dimmer, not exceeding the dynamic range of the camera and you can see the sticker color and the light blue of the jetski hull.

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