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Cost Effective Residential GeoThermal Energy

02/06/2006 12:37 PM

Popular Science featured an article a few years ago about someone that developed a much more compact and therefore affordable residential GeoThermal energy installation: Instead of having to put long lengths of small diameter tubing through a large area of (relatively shallow) ground and the significant costs associated with it, he developed a system that instead uses a large deep pipe. Think of a well 3'~8' in diameter and 20'~80' long sunk in below the center of your basement. Within this another smaller diameter pipe is located. The inner pipe is almost as big across as the outer pipe or 'well'. A convection current starts within the liquid in the system: as the fluid warms around the outside of the base, it gets less dense and starts to rise between the two pipe walls. Thus there is a natural circulation of water within the well. It gets and stays hotter at the top, and then drops back down the middle of the inner pipe as it cools again. An appreciable amount of energy can be harvested and stored given the large (thermal) mass of the fluid and the Earth that it is coupled to. Down there the temperature of the Earth is stable and warm. Not to hot, not to cold ( 8 This system lends it self to either a closed or open cycle, and even a combination of both. It gives an excellent and free constant heat sink for a heat pump. The warm water can be used for both radiative heating and consumption as well. The inner pipe could be made out of concrete mixed with polystyrene beads added to it to give it some insulation and improve the heat differential, convection and efficiency. Perhaps the inner pipe could just be a cast or molded polystyrene pipe by itself. Insulating the top portion of the well might allow for higher temperatures to be achieved. Though I'm unsure if just leaving the top thermally coupled to the earth and the basement floor wouldn't be as good or better. A bonus would be a basement floor with some built in passive heating.

This one is a winner, on any scale.

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Gearbox ratios

02/07/2006 6:00 AM

Drilling costs around 70-80 Euros (around 100 dollars) per meter. Think of how deep you need to go to find interesting temperatures.... This would cost a fortune...

At the Interclima & Elec show in Paris a few weeks ago, many geothermal companies showed surface systems because they are more cost effective and thus adaptable to homes. (No drilling cost). These systems work with heat pumps and use smaller differential temperatures than the deep drilled systems. The heat comes from ground water layer or from the rain sipping through the soil. The system has its limitations because extracting too much heat stops plants from growing ;-)

See link http://www.interclimaelec.com/

See also:
http://www.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/
http://www.eere.energy.gov/RE/geo_heat_pumps.html
http://www.geo-energy.org/

But if you live in area like Lanzarote, Iceland or Yellowstone the situation is completely different (drilling depth is very very small) and you can use the "surface temperature" for heating directly.

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Re:Gearbox ratios

02/08/2006 12:17 AM

With the current drought in north eastern Australia the town water supply has been coming into the house ( in Mackay) at 36 deg C for months now. Don't know if this is related, but it sure is warm.

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Geothermal

02/07/2006 9:40 AM

We have put in a number of geothermal systems for commercial and institutional buildings. The geothermal area (field) is not a constant sink or constant source of energy. It primarily operates as a storage unit. In summer you put heat into the earth and in winter you draw it out, only a portion of the heat (or cold) travels away from your field. If you are just going to draw heat out (or vice versa) a much larger field is needed. Most of our fields so far have been wells with water circulated through HDPE pipe. A U fitting connects the two pipes dropped down the well. The well is then backfilled with grout (hopefully the tailings from the well can suffice). Costs escalate if casing the well is necessary, if grout has to be trucked in or if excessive effort is needed to restore the area the well field is in (i.e. you put it under an existing parking lot).

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