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Magnetized in Steam Turbine

10/07/2020 10:18 PM

The company's turbine as shown in the drawing: We have a big problem that the broom (magnetic brush) is corroding too quickly because of a lot of electromagnetic currents (magnetized). It is also the cause of the interference internal signal => trip signal infection. Please show us the cause and how to eliminate the cause of the electricity generation in a turbine. Thanks very much

A lot of electromagnetic currents (magnetized), unwanted product is born in steam turbine when this steam turbine is working. We need know cause create it (electromagnetic currents) and how to completely remove it (electromagnetic currents)

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10/07/2020 10:25 PM
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10/07/2020 10:40 PM

My steam turbine was tripped one time by the interference internal signal. magnetic brush is rapidly corroded on every month checked

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10/08/2020 12:28 AM

Sounds like you're using a bad brush design or poor quality...

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Re: Magnetized in Steam Turbine

10/08/2020 12:50 PM

It sounds like your brush is intended to allow eddy currents induced by the ferrous metals in the turbine to drain to ground without going through and pitting the bearings of the turbine.

Did you have the bearings changed recently, particularly prior to brush failures starting? They may have replaced an electrically isolating bearing with one that's not isolating or vice versa.

The best source to answer this uncertainty and your initial question is to contact the turbine manufacturer. They may have a recall or simple upgrade that can solve your problem. But be prepared, they may only say the system is already long after the expected lifetime and full replacement is the only frugal answer.

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Re: Magnetized in Steam Turbine

10/08/2020 11:09 PM

The parts giving you trouble is their mass a factor in why they were made from that material? Is there any other reason why they can't be manufactured from non-ferrous metal, carbon fiber reinforced ceramic, or even a polymer?

In the presence of steam, there may be an accelerated level of corrosion occurring from differential metals in contact with each other. Which is something which might otherwise not been expected to show up until the end of its useful life.

If, as it has been suggested that those parts were designed to have eddy currents, then Carbon fiber (with, or without some interwoven metal strands) may be a viable substitute.

If not, and they can be 3-D printed from a different material, then you might want to contact Oak Ridge National Laboratory and ask for their 3-D Printing facility to see what they might be able to do for you.

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10/09/2020 6:31 AM

In a turbine or generator the shaft needs to be isolated from ground and only earthed at one point through a brush. It is probable that the shaft has developed another ground on the shaft and the circulating currents in the shaft to the earth brush are causing the wear through arcing.

We used to have to test for a shaft ground other than the grounding brush during turbo generator rebuilds. The shaft was tested for grounds with an OHM meter or more often a megger tester and the shaft should be many megohms above ground. Contaminated oil with a high moisture or acidic can be another source of low earth resistance.

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10/09/2020 7:17 AM

Something is fundamentally wrong if there are <...electromagnetic currents...> strong enough to cause this level of problem.

What has been the outcome of the telephone calls made to the equipment manufacturer about it?

What is stopping having a representative from the manufacturer visit site and sort the problem out once and for all?

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Re: Magnetized in Steam Turbine

10/09/2020 11:14 PM

https://preserve.lehigh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3002&context=etd

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Steam turbine - generator shaft grounding.

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Prevention of Homopolar Generation in Steam Turbines by Reducing Residual Magnetism

Transactions of the Institution of Professional Engineers New Zealand: Electrical/Mechanical/Chemical Engineering Section
Volume 14 Issue 2 (Jul 1987)

Moutter, Simon P; Campbell, Gary J

Abstract: Homopolar generation caused by residual magnetism build-up can result in severe bearing damage in steam turbine generating sets. Experience with this phenomenon at New Plymouth Power Station, New Zealand, is described and mechanisms for the magnetic field build-up and bearing current flow are explained. The theory for electromagnetic demagnetising of steam turbines is presented along with a fast and inexpensive method of implementing the theory using readily available equipment. The theory and practice are supported by the results of a successful steam turbine demagnetising operation carried out at New Plymouth.

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