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HVAC Design for Indoor Swim Spa

10/28/2020 6:40 PM

We are having our home built in Tucson AZ with a separate, adjoined to the house room for indoor swim spa pool. The builder is telling us he is having difficulty with designing the HVAC system because of the swim spa pool room. Is it best to have a separate independent HVAC system? Rather than have it part of the house HVAC? Anyone know of a HVAC designer to refer our builder to?

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Re: HVAC Design for indoor Swim Spa

10/28/2020 7:08 PM

Most "normal, nothing special" HVAC units have one thermostat. Your pool is a HUGE thermal mass. I would think it is impossible to do what you need without two thermostats. I don't know much about HVAC units but I would easily accept the idea that two HVAC units would be more cost effective than one larger unit with all the computer controlled this-and-that required to properly service two very different zones.

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10/28/2020 7:21 PM

You definitely want a separate A/C system for the spa room, mainly because of the humidity and chlorine...The specifics of air temp and pool water temperature as well as heat load variance all come into play in conditioning the air for comfort and minimizing pool chemical treatment...

This is a specialized area, and you need somebody who knows what he's doing and is familiar with indoor pool systems in that area...I would take the time to visit at least two installations that have been completed to check with the homeowner on cost and comfort and other specifics related to this type of installation and ownership...

Most air conditioners have aluminum fins pressed on copper coils and when you add chlorine, it causes accelerated electrolysis and causes the coil to start leaking after a few years, so it's an advantage to use fresh air as much as possible and exhaust the fumes as much as practical...

so a system that can measure the outdoor temperature and humidity vs indoor temperature and RH, relative to the temperature and humidity desired, and inject fresh air when possible, is the way to go...

What is the approximate square footage of the pool room? and size of the pool? Will you be using an RO system or adding chemicals? Will the RO system be indoors or out? Do you have a heatpump for the pool?

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10/28/2020 7:39 PM

pool room is 364sf and the pool is 13'-6" X 25'. The Pool is a package system in the room and does not require chemical as it has a internal cleaning system utilizing ozone, UV-C light and CuZn filtration system. Tipically water is recharged New water once a month. Source of the water is our well water so no chlorine to start with.

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10/28/2020 10:06 PM

You stated pool size is 337 1/2 sqft , and the stated room square footage is 364...You don't seem to have room to even walk around the pool, there should be at least 3 - 5ft on all sides...that would be 605 - 823 square feet...

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11/02/2020 10:30 AM

My mistake. The pool is 8' X 15' (120sf) the room interior is 13'-6" X 25' (337.5) with 10' ceilings (3,375cuft) conditioned space. there are windows along the 3 sides and forth is connected to the house.

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11/02/2020 10:17 PM

I think I would put an exhaust fan on the roof or high on the wall with a fresh air intake with flaps on an opposite wall, and about a 1 ton A/C and heat unit.... You could probably get by with just the exhaust fan running most of the time...The water temperature in an indoor pool tends to stay colder than an outdoor pool so you don't want cold air hitting you when you get out of the pool, so the pool area is kept much warmer than the house would be...

Maybe 2 of these for wide control of airflow...or a larger one with variable speed.. 100 - 400 cfm range would be optimal...

Exhaust fan

...or something like this...

It's also nice to have a heatpump to manage the water temperature, this eliminates a lot of the need for the A/C unit...

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10/30/2020 10:01 AM

Hey Carl. Yes your best bet will be to separate the rooms as the heat and humidity in the spa room is going to effect the house unless you keep it separate. In florida it is common practice when installing such structures as ambient heat humidity is hard enough to deal with. Plus you just might find you want that room a different temp than the rest of the house.

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10/30/2020 11:16 AM

Get a geothermal system with separate zones. You may even be able to use the heat mass of the pool itself as part of the system. I put my geothermal system in 20 years ago. It cost more up front but my system paid for itself within 4 years. I'm in coastal Virginia..lots of humidity but I don't have a pool.

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10/30/2020 11:46 AM

You are going to have significant differences in the heating/cooling requirements for the main house and for the pool room. Anyone in your area that has taken the manufacturers certification course for HVAC design and is selling design services in your area should be able to design the two systems you should be putting in.

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10/31/2020 2:53 PM

The humidity will certainly be a problem.

I recommend a separate dehumidifier for the pool room in addition to a separate A/C unit.

When it comes to A/C, bigger is not always better.

It is called Air Conditioning for a reason:It conditions the air by removing moisture,as well as cooling the air.

If a unit is too large,it will cycle too quickly to lower the room humidity and the thermostat will have to be set lower to feel comfortable.(Sensible heat).

The newer VFD units are more efficient,using only enough energy to meet demand.

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11/01/2020 7:41 PM

..."If a unit is too large, it will cycle too quickly to lower the room humidity..."

....an oversized unit will raise the humidity causing a dank uncomfortable environment, and other associated problems that come with high humidity in an enclosed environment...Though this is not likely to be a problem due to the low humidity ambient environment in that location...This is why a staged unit with variable speed blower and fresh air supply would be a good tool for controlling the humidity as well as the temperature...

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04/13/2021 10:12 AM

I agree, a unit that is too large will cycle too frequently to lower the humidity.

(Shortcycling).

I also agree with adding a high vent and fresh air intake,and a variable (VFD) heat pump that varies output according to the need.

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