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Chemical Reaction

10/31/2020 11:03 PM

I had the craziest thing just happen to me. There is a Plastic squirrel cage blower that is of poor design. That it literally falls apart in about a year. Most times it is the "D" shaft of the motor, keeps rotating and eventually splits the blower into two pieces

I have tried many ways of re-inforcing it, mechanically as well as with various glues even good old JB-weld. Well it totally split in half about a week ago, and my kid was here, and said lets try what they have been using where he works. They even about 5 years ago repaired the hanging mounts for the chain bucket of a multi ton chain hoist, ya know the part that catches the loose chain?

Let me try what we use all the time at work, I said sure go ahead, he said ya got any crazy or super glue? ya know

Cyanoacrylate

I said I tried that before it's too brittle and doesn;'t last long at all. he said did you use baking soda with it? WHAT?

Yeah put the pieces together run a bead of the super glue along the joint then sprinkle baking soda on it, make a nice like a metal weld looking "Bead" of the soad along the seal, and then again wet that soda with the super glue, let it sit a minute and done. a small amount of the soda will fall off as powder, but the rest is as hard as metal!

I put the bower back in and it's been a week so far.

anyone have any idea as to what is happening chemically with those two ingredients?

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11/01/2020 12:23 AM

Yeah I've seen this before superglue cement....but why not get a metal replacement blade with a set screw...

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11/01/2020 10:46 AM

Yeah, I ran across this youtube a while back...

Cyanoacrylate turns into a polymer in the presence of OH- ion. This is supplied by water, or by baking soda. Be careful, the reaction is exothermic and super glue fumes are nasty.

"A monomer, such as methylcyanoacrylate (the substance in super glue), with two electron -withdrawing substituents can be polymerized with very mild nucleophiles such as Br, CN, amines or OH. The monomer polymerizes on contact with many surfaces. Most often it is initialized by the presence of water (the OH ions from water). If you have sodium bicarbonte present, traces of water (from the surface or air) will react and make NaOH. The reaction is the following:

NaHCO3 + H2O -----> NaOH + H2CO3NaOH

is a very good starter of the polymerization reaction. It will make the reaction go very fast. Since this is an exothermic reaction (energy gets released) the H2CO3 will break up into H2O and CO2 . The water will evaporate and that should be the fume you have noticed. You should also see the CO2. This is my guess on what is happening."

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=459#:~:text=The%20bicarbonate%20(even%20water)%20starts,up%20a%20very%20good%20adhesive.

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11/01/2020 1:31 PM

Good to know, I actually have an application for this.

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11/01/2020 11:30 PM

Thanks! One more thing i was not aware of...

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11/02/2020 11:16 PM

What type of device do you use to create a "metal weld looking bead " ?

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11/03/2020 4:25 PM

A spudger would work nicely.

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11/04/2020 5:32 AM

Welding equipment or a soldering iron?

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11/04/2020 12:26 PM

A nylon spudger (used in soldering) to help form the baking soda/super glue mixture into a nice 'bead'.

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11/05/2020 5:52 AM

GA

Now I understand Tony's question; your first answer, and, why my answer was stupid.

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11/05/2020 1:54 PM

We enjoy being obtuse.

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