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Geothermal Waste Disposal

11/13/2007 10:52 AM

Today in another post there was the suggestion of sending industrial waste into outer space to dispose of it. Of course, that is not practical because of the costs and also the issue of dealing with it at a later date as "space junk".

I was wondering what would be the upsides and downsides of disposing of industrial waste through injection of the wastes into the magma below the earth's crust. I realize the costs would be high, but perhaps differing materials could be injected to differing depths depending on the ability of the earth to disperse the materials.

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11/13/2007 10:56 AM

That's it! Sweep the problem under the carpet!

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11/13/2007 11:16 AM

I'm not sure this is infeasible. I'm sure others can chime in, but a number of warning bells immediately go off:

  1. Depending upon the waste in question, burning via magma would increase the likelihood of immediate dispersal via gas venting. It's also possible that large scale injection of material into a magma chamber could destabilize the system leading to eruption.
  2. Even if the volatilized waste does not make it back to the surface, there is a possibility of it entering into underground aquifers and polluting water supplies.
  3. Plates shift unexpectedly, earthquakes happen, waste flows...
  4. Drilling at this scale (depth and consistent activity) has never been performed, so there would need to be years of costly study before feasibility is determined.
  5. Imprecise measurement abilities of below ground structures which could make it difficult to drill in a given place (increasing the cost), for support to be sustained (think of industrial waste sinkholes if enough burrowing in one place is done), or for the waste to be injected at the proper point (the waste is not destroyed but sitting waiting for an event that will release it).
  6. Cost, cost, cost...
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11/13/2007 5:31 PM

What if we place the storage where the plates would drag it under.

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11/14/2007 2:18 AM

T h e y m o v e i n c r e d i b l y s l o w l y.

( Even slower than a politician implementing his election promises! )

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11/14/2007 7:14 PM

Yeah but if it's one inch closer to being disposed of then that better than we are doing today with stockpiling it.

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11/13/2007 11:38 AM
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11/13/2007 12:00 PM

Every tried drilling a hole through rock that flows like molasses?

Every tried drilling through a material that is at a higher temperature than the melting point of the drill bit?

Even if you solve the first two problems, once you reach the magma chamber it will have an escape route to the surface and it will be rather difficult to pump waste down the hole while magma is erupting from it!

I don't see any feasability to this whatsoever!

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11/13/2007 3:26 PM

If it was possible to drill that hole, we'd all be doing it to use the Geothermal energy source and would have solved the whole global warming CO2 problem, and with all the cheap energy we would probably be able to recycle or process the waste!

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11/14/2007 1:10 AM

What if the use of Geothermal power by humans accidentally sunk Atlantis?

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11/14/2007 2:09 AM

IMHO this is more likely the answer to power generation, not waste disposal. See the following ilnk.

http://www.iddp.is/

While this details a project in Iceland, the simple fact is that if you drill deep enough anywhere ion the planet you will reach a depth where the temperature is high enough to create useful energy through geothermal generation.

Some years ago there was an attempt to drill some geothermal wells in the South of England, an attempt thwarted by the relative hardness of the rocks. In the 15-20 years since then drill bit technology has moved on remarkably so it may be time to re-address this.

Additionally, small scale "ground loop" technology can reduce the use of hydrocarbons and this can be achieved using extremely shallow boreholes.

The answers are out there; it's just a matter of taking the first steps.

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11/14/2007 11:00 AM

I dont off-hand know where any Geothermal energy recovery is being implemented within the US (I believe there are a few), but there are certainly areas within our borders (esp. NW Wyoming) where such projects would appear feasible.

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11/14/2007 12:58 PM

Some potential in Yellowstone Park

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11/14/2007 2:35 AM

Bad idea. You run the risk of groundwater contamination, release of toxic sulfurous gases from the magma, possible release of toxic byproducts from the burning of the wastes etc, and all that is assuming you succeed in drilling through molten rock first.

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11/14/2007 7:27 AM

I guess the main problem, once you solved the srill bit part, would be that the magma would want to come up the hole you just drilled, rather than let the bad stuff you want to get rid of go down. Having an active volcano on your property (being the likely result) might tend to make your neighbors mad at you.

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11/15/2007 2:59 AM

pressure and temperature control is something that has been done in the oil drilling industry for a long time. the same techniques (albeit on a different scale) can be applied there

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11/14/2007 7:54 AM

I know:

We can get these guys as garbage collectors/disposers !!

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12/05/2007 4:32 PM

Besides all the above mentioned problems, something that bothers me is natures balance. If it was possible to tap into the magma and burn the trash, heat the water, and use it for energy on a mass worldwide basis, there would be a significant cooling of the inner layer. What would be the result of that action?

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