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Application of Induction Furnace

11/20/2007 6:10 AM

Hi All, me again,

As mentioned earlier, I am in the process of setting up a small scrap processing plant.

So, here I am again to tap the brains of my fellow CR4 engineers. I need a straight answer from someone that have no vested interest in trying to sell me some specific equipment. i cannot trust the conflicting answers get from suppliers, since they all say that their competition's equipment are not built for my application, but theirs is. When I ask what the specific design difference is, they start garbling stuff that no one can understand. Thus I refer to the only honest group of real people I know, namely you guys.

I want to process different scraps, ranging from Aluminium to Copper and then from DRI to Ferro-silicon (Iron Silicide). I take it for granted that I cannot buy a single furnace to melt everything at the same rate and efficiency etc. I also have made provision in my calculations that the furnace will only be 50% efficient (produce only 50% of what the designer say and only 70% of the time).

So I am not interested in efficiency calculations or melt rates. I only want to know what the design differences are in Medium frequency Induction furnaces for melting aluminium vs copper vs ferrous materials. Does it have to do with the coil design, frequency, electronics, what? I know different materials require different amounts of energy, so a 1000kW unit can produce 1.4 t steel/aluminium and 3 t copper approximately. Also you might need different refractory materials, but can you use an aluminium second hand furnace to melt copper?

Again, not too much detail and not too technical. I am only a metallurgist.

TC

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Re: Application of Induction Furnace

11/21/2007 7:15 AM

I don't consider myself an expert in the subject, but I have worked with a number of Lepel's over the years. I'm sure frequency will have varying effects on different metals, but most of the problems I've seen had to do with the coil design itself. Since the coil is basically an oversized inductor in an oscillator circuit, it's size and number of turns can be critical to transferring maximum power to the load. I'm sure someone here knows far more than I do.

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Re: Application of Induction Furnace

11/21/2007 2:32 PM

This is what I call a well put question.

These guys offer a large range of induction heaters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_converter

with variable frequency, for different materials. So, the manufacturer should be able to explain if their MF generator can melt (with the necessary adjustments for frequency and power) Al or Cu on the same machine.

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Re: Application of Induction Furnace

11/21/2007 4:25 PM

Hi:

I have no vested interests....nothing for sale.

Only experience.......limited to two areas. heating ferrous metals but not smelting/melting..( like blacksmithing ) and smelting precious metals.

We operate a precious metals refinery..both gas and induction heating.

Assuming you have some practical experience person available in using induction heaters/furnaces to aid you.... other posts refer to proper frequency........as this varies with material to be furnace.We use 10kHz ...15 kw unit for both. And a backup unit at 8kHz.

You have not indicated the type of "charge" placed in the induction field. It is critical the input power couples to the charge for speedy melts.

It is difficult to smelt gold dust ...due to low particulate mass....as opposed to gold bars with high particle mass. A mix does well.

If you are in a continuous production application your coil cooling/chiller capability will be critical......to preclude safety overheat/trip of the input induction coil. We use a chiller with distilled water ...to preclude any deposit build up inside the coil tubing.

Coil design ( the number of turns) is very sensitive to proper application in power efficiency consideration.

Crucible material can effect speed/efficiency...........some materials melt better with a reactive crucible...ie, silicon carbide....as opposed to non reactive fused silica crucible.

If your melting to pour time is critical...consider multiple furnace pots connected to

one larger power unit..switchable from two or more pots....with variable freq. you can alter frequency needed on a very custom type utilization/application. And this allows reloading while another pot is hooked in "on line"...and of a different metal.

Not a lot but this may stimulate your own mind......GOOD LUCK

Mr. Guy

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11/21/2007 4:33 PM

perhaps advancements in Industrial microwave furnaces may help you. There have been many advances in the last year or two, and they may be tunable for your varying stock.

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Re: Application of Induction Furnace

12/11/2007 10:38 PM

Mr. Guy in #3

Well done You have given good details of "Crucible" [pot].

I Rate it 7 in my view

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