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Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

11/30/2007 9:59 AM

Hello,

I work for a R&D company that are developing cameras for mobile phones. I have been asked to design an acoustic rig that will be able to detect noise inside the camera, such as scratching or colliding components. The sound is inaudible to the unaided ear, so perhaps a very sensitive microphone would work? Or maybe a vibration sensor such as a contact microphone would work?

Any suggestions regarding this will be hugely appreciated.

Zach

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Re: Acoustic Rig for detecting mechanical errors

11/30/2007 10:22 AM

Zach,

I don't think that you are going to have any scratching or colliding components in a (mobile phone) digital camera...

With the possible exception of an optical zoom mechanism, such a device is "solid state" and has no moving parts in the first place. Therefore, regardless of how sensitive the microphone or vibration sensor, there would be no "scratching or colliding" sounds to "listen" for.

Not to mention the complicating factors posed by the built-in ringer and "vibrate mode" annunciators in the phone...

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Re: Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

11/30/2007 10:45 AM

Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry, I should have been more clear: the part we make is the optical zoom mechanism. I'll give you more detail (I can't give out too much for legal reasons...):

The lens is encased in a lens carriage which is in turn encased in a square plastic chassis. There are metal flextures on both the top and bottom which is connected to the chassis and the lens carriage. Another part of the camera drives the lens up, which is forces back down by the flexure (it has arms on each side attached to the lens).

Also, the chassis we use often need to be modified by hand, which creates messy plasitic "burrs".

The sound I am trying to monitor are:

  • Friction between the lens carriage and the chassis as it moves up and down,
  • Burrs obstructing the mechanism or the flexures.

I hope this makes sense.

Zach

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Re: Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

11/30/2007 11:53 AM

Glue a mic to it with epoxy then sit the whole thing on a bed of foam in a box full of foam, on a bed of foam, in another box of foam, in a cupboard away from any noise...

Wire the mic to a scope or a sepctrum analyser...via a preamp if necessary.

Or just use the damn mic that is already in the phone!!! ...after all that's presumably the purpose of the exercise..!

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Re: Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

11/30/2007 1:21 PM

Best to use a feedback loop to monitor the current of the motor that is driving the lens. This will more accurately let you know when the grease is dry or dirt has infiltrated. An increase in current would warn of problems. If you wait until it is making noise, the damage is already done. A good warning would be that it requires maintenance or cleaning.

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Re: Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

11/30/2007 6:55 PM

An accelerometer might work. There are microphones that would work as well. Try PCB piezotronics at

http://www.pcb.com/

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Re: Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

12/03/2007 7:48 AM

Thank you very much guys, all your tips have helped a great deal. Much appreciated.

Zach

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Re: Acoustic Rig For Detecting Mechanical Errors

12/03/2007 8:07 AM

A fiber optic sensor operating in interferometer mode makes an excellent acoustic sensor, and small ennough for your small structure. The interrogation system may be somewhat expensive.

A microphone with a focussing refloecot may be more practical.

I once participated to a research project where an array of microphones were placed on the radiuses of a circular pattern. I think there was a Fresnel function in their placement. The timing of the sound events was used to triamgulate the spource position.

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