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Difference Between Cold Corona And Hot Spark?

12/05/2007 5:10 PM

I have been trying to find out what is the difference between these 2 methods of generating ozone. They seem very similiar if not overlapping. What is the difference? The design?

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Re: Difference Between Cold Corona And Hot Spark?

12/07/2007 1:04 AM

Sorry don't know about much about ozone generation but you cant beat an icy cold Corona after a hard day's fishing.

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12/07/2007 10:14 PM

You guys have Corona down there? I prefer a VB or 4X, myself. Can't get those here, though.

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12/07/2007 10:23 PM

I'm afraid we do have Corona, about $50 a slab of 24 bottles. VB, wouldn't have been as funny as Corona. I'm a Victorian so VB (Very Best) is like mothers milk. Can't stand 4X. (XXXX) Could never figure out why Queenslanders couldn't spell 'Beer'

Therefore XXXX

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12/07/2007 10:46 PM

VB was my first "real" Aussie beer. (I've been told that most of you don't consider Foster's "beer") I always thought it interesting they way you Aussies were so territorial about beer. Then the micro breweries started showing up over here, and I'll tell you, there's one up the road called Stone, they make an IPA that is just incredible!

You ever get out to San Diego, drop me a line, the 1st one will be on me!

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Re: Difference Between Cold Corona And Hot Spark?

12/08/2007 12:04 AM

Fosters? Haven't seen a tube of Fosters for years or maybe that no one I know drinks it. Lolly water. or soda pop as you guys say it. No Guts. Why do you think we export it? Because no one over here drinks it. I've had fruit juice with more kick than Fosters. Ever heard of "Fosters Flop"? Has something to do with how men perform.

Yes, if I ever do come over to San Diego, will definitely blow the fluffy bits off a couple of coldies.

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Re: Difference Between Cold Corona And Hot Spark?

12/07/2007 10:18 AM

The primary difference is the voltage gradient. In ambient air at sea level and 25C, cold corona occurs as a light visible glow at a voltage gradient of approximately 20 kVrms/cm. Brush corona would appear at about 25 kV rms/cm and positive polarity plumes at 30 kVrms/cm. The last two would be considered spark corona. Those gradients are AC in air at standard temperature and pressure. Different electrode geometry, dielectrics, voltage waveforms, pressures and temperatures would result in different critical gradients.

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Re: Difference Between Cold Corona And Hot Spark?

12/07/2007 10:32 AM

A description of ozone generation is given here:

http://www.inspiredliving.com/airpurification/airpurifier-comparisons.htm

Basically, if you have a high potential (voltage) applied to something with sharp points, at some voltage a corona will form, due to ions being formed. (Actually corona formation is somewhat complex, but I won't go into details here.) Ozone and small amounts of other compounds such as NOx are formed by the interaction of O2 and N2 and their ions. Only a small amount of current flows.

If the voltage is increased, eventually the breakdown voltage of the air is reached, the air becomes conductive, and a spark is the result. The breakdown voltage varies with the distance between electrodes, RH and other factors.

Once you have a spark, lots of current can flow. Sparks generate much more heat, light etc. than coronas. Sparks are likely to produce more NOx, and to erode electrodes much quicker. .

Because of this, I doubt that there ozone generators that use a true spark discharge. They would use too much current and produce too much unwanted byproducts. However, I will stand corrected if you can give a reference.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Difference Between Cold Corona And Hot Spark?

12/10/2007 11:01 AM

Thanks for the info. I am thinking of using pure oxygen for my project and maybe a voltage somewhere between hot and cold spark in cylindrical electrodes. Will there still be unwanted by-products?

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12/10/2007 11:05 AM

Sorry, I had assumed air. Since you are using pure O2, ozone should be the only product.

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