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Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/08/2007 12:01 AM

We have a problem of non-uniform surface finish values on the stem of engine valves after centerless grinding. The requirement is 1.8 Rz max but it varies from 1.8 to 2.4 Rz in the same valve at 4 places across the circumference. The grinding wheel used is A100.

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/08/2007 8:48 AM

I take it, you've dressed the two wheels and the grinding wheel is correctly selected for the material you are grinding, and also that you have your height adjusted correctly! Are the wheels old? In otherwords, loaded, unbalanced due to old absorbed coolant on one side due to storing wet? Are the head bearings clean and adjusted? Is your coolant clean?

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/08/2007 11:23 PM

Dear Mr. Shankar I think the person who dress the wheel is not correct or the diamond which you are using are not correct. There are so many reason for not getting correct surface finish. 1. The coolent which you are using are not of good grade. 2. The shaft of wheel are not properly balance. 3. The height of blade on which the valve stem rest are not correct. 4. The blade surface on which the valve stem rest are not in proper angle. 5. Could you please advise us the material in which you are not getting required surface finish. The alloy steel which is generally used in valve manufacturing are 21-4N ( Non magnetic steel ) ,Inconel ( Nickel - cromium alloy), EN-52, EN-36B, EN-8 etc and every still required dressing of wheel after required interval. Please confirm the wheel. 6. As you mentioned in your mail that you are using A100 grade of grinding wheel. You can get required surface finish with A80 grade of wheel. Or could you please advise us which Brand of wheel you are using. If you have any problem in manufacturing of valve, you can contact me in my email id . najmul21@rediffmail.com. my GSM no. 00968-99544391. If you are manufacturing of Battle Tank valve ( Cam opreted valve) like T72, BMP, T-55 etc you can contact me if you requyired any help. The battle Tank Valve is very critical valve and very few company are able to manufacturing this valve in India. Regards Ansari

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/09/2007 2:29 AM

All of comment #1, plus is the surface hardness of the valve stem uniform .?

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/09/2007 7:07 AM

I notice you say it's in the same valve in 4 places, does it also repeat on other valves? if the answer is no, then I would suggest you have a problem with the valve material.

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/09/2007 8:39 AM

where are you located?

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/09/2007 4:43 PM

Is truing and dressing done at the same point as the grinding is done or at the opposite location or at 90degrees?

What is the runout of the two wheels (measured at the same point as grinding is done)?

(synchronous with multiples and nonsynchronous!)

Runout has a static and a dynamic (unbalance) component, both have often higher harmonics.

What are the speeds of the two wheels and the workpiece?

Surface generation is a complicated topic!

This is especially true if you have both parts vibrating: the difference in frequencies will be seen on the surface.

As this is nonlinear mixing there is i*frequency1+or-k*frequency2.

What you really see on the surface is often those 1 or 2 components of these very many possible frequencies that are near zero or may be that are amplified by some resonance.

In centerless grinding it is still more complicated by the two contacts!

I have done some research on this topic many years ago that is published in one of the SPIE proceedings.

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/10/2007 9:33 AM

How are the supporting blocks (to support valve stem ) located. Are they loose , worn out, chipped (if made of carbide) and causing vibrations in the system. When you say the surface finish does not meet the requirements - what is the nature of the finish you are getting- Are there any vibrations, soft spots on the part? Is there a grinding temper on part of the ground stem? Is your diamond dresser for dressing the wheel in good condition. Check the form of ]dresser under the magnifying glass.

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/10/2007 9:48 AM

I agree with all of the other comments but 1 additional one is the cleanliness of the filters for the coolant. If they are being bypassed (because they're clogged) they will let material by that will destroy the tolerance of your finish. I would check this first but you need all of the factors mentioned in order to maintain a 1.8µ finish.

As others have already said:

1) cleanliness of your coolant

2) balance and truing of your wheels

3) condition, rigidity and placement of your guides

4) condition and adjustment of the shaft bearings for the wheels

5) condition (wear) of your wheels or soft/hard spots in the wheel

6) quality of the steel your making the valves from

these are all factors that affect the quality of your finish.

Please post some feedback on your progress!

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

12/11/2007 11:44 AM

I would suspect that you have looked at other valves. If this problem is isolated to that particular stock of material then you have a material problem. Grind (if you can ) a longer area on the same stock and see if there is a continual problem. This will help you evaluate weather or not you have a fixturing or wheel problem. Does the problem occur on different shifts? I would put my money on the coolant filtration.

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Re: Surface finish-centerless grinding of engine valves

08/09/2010 6:10 AM

Did you ever think of using automatic Drag Finishing equipment?

These are relatively new machines which do a consistent, high

performance job and can achiever even lower Ra's.

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