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The future of AI and Robotics?

07/10/2023 8:21 AM

I recently saw an article on BBC wherein a series of android-type AI robots were asked questions.

In my mind, I see parallels to the Wright Brothers first flight.

They could not imagine where the technology of flight would be in 100 + years, nor can we imagine the future of AI accurately.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html

As with all technology, there will be good and bad actors. Humans may be required to perform periodic updates in order to communicate with each other,(for a price of course.)-- update to version 10↑10.(see Donald Knuth's hyperexponentiation ).

Donald Knuth’s arrow notation for hyperexponentiation:https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2018/04/10/up-arrow-and-down-arrow-notation/#:~:text=Up%20arrow%20notation,applications%20of%20double%20arrow%2C%20etc.&text=This%20function%20grows%20shockingly%20quickly.

"I bring the news from "D" street, and the news is not good."

(Possibly the future prophesy of the MATRIX?)

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07/10/2023 8:59 AM

The day is coming when humanity will be superfluous. We are training our own replacements.

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07/10/2023 1:27 PM

They used to imagine the future as a wonderland of technology, now I mostly see dystopian nightmares predicted...I think this is a message to stay alert or things could go south in a major way...keep both hands on the wheel...be vigilant....or pay the awful price...

LAHSA's 2022 count revealed 41,980 unhoused people in the city of Los Angeles, up 1.7% from 2020. In the county, there were 69,144 unhoused people, an increase of 4.1%....Jan 27, 2023

Now think about how many young adults are now living back home with their parents or grandparents...well into the 10's of millions and rising....

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07/13/2023 7:10 AM

From an entirely objective viewpoint, the human body is not very efficient, with only 2 arms, legs, and 10 fingers.

A multiple appendage assortment would be better, perhaps like an octopus with an assortment of devices(tools or sensors),but not limited to 8 but as many as proves to be most efficient of the job at hand.

Who knows what this evolution of efficiency would look like.

How about no external appendages; Simply mental telekinesis is the ultimate goal?

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07/10/2023 2:02 PM

Should people be allowed to build their own living structure on government land without code restrictions...is poverty just too unpalatable for America to accept?

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07/11/2023 2:23 PM

?? what has this to do with AI and robotics? apart from AI potentially affecting everything

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07/11/2023 3:08 PM

..."The blue line on the graph above marks the difference between median disposable income (income less taxes) and the median cost of living.

A positive number indicates people at the median made more than their costs of living. In other words, their income exceeds the costs of things like food, housing, and insurance and they have money left over to spend or save.

This is often referred to as “having disposable income.” If the number in the above calculation is negative, income is not enough to cover essential expenses.

From at least 1959 to 1971, the blue line above was positive and trending higher. The consumer was in great shape.

In 1971 the trend reversed in part due to President Nixon’s actions to remove the U.S. dollar from the gold standard.

Unbeknownst to many at the time, that decision allowed the U.S. government to run consistent trade and fiscal deficits while its citizens were able to take on more debt.

Other than rampant inflation, there were no immediate consequences. In 1971, following this historic action, the blue line began to trend lower.

By 1990, the median U.S. citizen had less disposable income than the median cost of living; i.e., the blue line turned negative.

This trend lower has continued ever since. The 2008 financial crisis proved to be a tipping point where the burden of debt was too much for many consumers to handle. Since 2008 the negative trend in the blue line has further steepened.

You might be thinking, if incomes were less than our standard of living, why did it feel like our standard of living remained stable?

One word – DEBT."...

Maybe it can solve this problem....surely there is a way to turn this around...

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07/12/2023 3:21 AM

Interesting (and worrying) but I still don't see what it has to do with AI.

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07/12/2023 4:34 AM

The cure for debt is revenue generation, maybe AI can turn it all around by raising the GDP...

https://www.crfb.org/papers/qa-gross-debt-versus-debt-held-public

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2018/10/10/blog-FM-the-wealth-of-nations-govts-can-better-manage-what-they-own-owe

You see we have a unique opportunity here to develop carbon free next gen nuclear energy and export it to the world....Nuclear power plants is where the energy future is...We could cure our budget deficit and turn things around...Fast reactors that recycle nuclear fuel are going to be the gift that keeps on giving...With AI we can build automated plants that are safe and cheap....

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07/12/2023 5:35 AM

OK, but I don't see why you highlight those particular problems. AI might help, as it might help with a lot of things, and it comes with risks, regularly discussed out there. And if AI doesn't do the biz, we're still stuck with the problems.

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07/12/2023 1:45 PM

Because those are the two most important problems, the well being of the people, and the well being of the Planet....That's why we keep both hands on the wheel...AI isn't doing it, we are, AI is assisting us, at all levels, the learning, the doing, the maintaining....

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07/10/2023 11:29 PM

It's good to see Don Knuth's name mentioned. He was in college, I think a year ahead of me. He did great things with computers then, although I wasn't really aware of it until later. (I was in a different curriculum, so our paths didn't cross.)

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07/11/2023 9:44 AM

A.I. has only one purpose, and one use, to evade responsibility and hide the truth. Automation of deceit.

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07/11/2023 12:21 PM

There is a very important distinction between flight and AI. In one case, the innovators were battling physics and in AI, we are trying to mimic human behavior which is anything but consistent or predictable.

AI may get better, but it is much harder than flying.

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07/11/2023 12:59 PM

Perhaps we are an intermediate step in nature's plan for evolution, and the next step is merging of humans with machines.

Things seem to moving in that direction; Interfaces with computers that increase our abilities to hear, see, think, and process information.

Given enough time, they will be a separate species that never ages, retains all learning from previous generations.

The evolution will be gradual, with more and more biological parts being replaced by mechanical ones and eventually, only the minimum human parts will be used, all else eliminated by attrition and upgrades.

With all knowledge available to everyone simultaneously ,there will be no need for wars, and the galaxies will be explored and settled by a hybrid species, able to adapt to nearly any environment and the origins of the original species will be buried in the ancient history files before the sun (our sun)went into a Red Giant phase, and vaporized all of the planets surrounding ,it except for a couple of the outliers like Neptune and Uranus.

The exact location of Earth will also be uncertain, as will the home galaxy in which it resided. All spiral galaxies look very much alike from a distance.

That's my take on it.

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07/12/2023 9:22 AM

Imagine a future where no one works; Everything is done by machines and AI. Public structures and services must be paid for somehow, so the only way I can see is to :Tax: the machines themselves, or their makers.

Some countries are already experimenting with a guaranteed minimum income, no working required.

I guess they see the handwriting on the wall, and experimenting with a future with no workers.

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It's Robots all the way Down

07/12/2023 6:07 PM

Well it seems at some distant time in the future, we will have robots to repair the robots that have taken everybody's jobs...

We won't need money because everything will just require energy to operate continuously, and that energy will be supplied by robotically controlled sources....

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07/15/2023 3:44 PM

The Thermonator...

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