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Time and its effects

08/21/2023 10:34 AM

Through an Astrophysics discussion group I have been following writings on the meaning of time by both physicists and philosophers.

Einstein received a Nobel prize for Special Relativity, but never for General Relativity; some say it was because of his debate with Henri Bergson who believed Einstein was correct for measurements only. Bergson felt that time was measured as duration not by physical measurements.

As I understand the concept of duration it is something like the flow of sensed changes with conditions to one's feet as one walks across a stream.

What am I missing here?

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08/21/2023 12:02 PM

What am I missing here?

Everything. I explained the mystery of anti-matter 10 yrs. ago. And today, I will explain why the universe seems to be expanding........but only at the outer reaches and not locally.

And the reason for it is......because when an emitter moves......it space width modulates the light signal.

And when the detector moves, it period modulates the light signal. Both of these modulations occur when watching starlight.

And both of the modulations occur more.......with distant light.

Space is not expanding.......it is being modulated. Modulated with motion and distance.

EM propagation is not a wave......it is a discrete, intermittent pulse. It strobes. It blinks. It does NOT have a frequency........it has a duty cycle. With no relative velocity, the duty cycle is 50%. With emitter motion......the light signal is NOT pulse width modulated........It IS space width modulated. This space width modulation is more pronounced with distance. The length of the emitted pulse always remains constant, because the pulse is emitted as a chunk, not a stream, which takes a duration.

Thus the change in duty cycle is more pronounced with distance.

The frequency we measure.....is from the ringing and reaction of the mass......not the propagation.

The appearance of the expanding universe, comes from this natural modulation.

Space width modulation.

Light has duty cycle, not frequency. The offset in duty cycle will tell you the velocity of that emitter. And the offset in period will tell you the relative velocity of the detector.

With enough of the measurements in enough of directions, we can determine OUR true velocity.....relative to a stationary point.

But, no one listened to me about anti-matter......so I presume no one will care for this too.

But if not realized now.......it will be in the future. The one narrative, the one dogma we have(light)......is all wrong. And we based everything on this dogma. And we have to stretch and pull intellect so far....to keep this dogma.

Time and length are omnipresent. That's the true dogma. No probabilities, no randomness and no chaos is permitted. These are the restrictions and rules for the study of physicality.

But we have to wait another hundred years.

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08/21/2023 5:01 PM

Time travel is a difficult concept to accept even now...duration is measured by the clock and calendar, in physics though, time is simply a result of location....

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08/21/2023 7:19 PM

I don't know about wading across a stream.

You are correct, you only measure duration, just as you only measure length. There is no absolute reference point for location or even velocity. I suppose there is an absolute time, the big bang, but the JWST is telling us we aren't even close to knowing when that was.

We can measure duration quite accurately, for example, with a Cesium clock.

"One second is the time that elapses during 9,192,631,770 (or 9.192631770 x 109 in decimal form) cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium-133 atom."

https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/second-s-or-sec#:~:text=Katie%20Terrell%20Hanna-,What%20is%20a%20second%20(s%20or%20sec)%3F,of%20the%20cesium%2D133%20atom.

I stick with the physicists, philosophers only confuse me...

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08/22/2023 8:27 AM

How do you know that the Cesium Clock is behaving in a regular beat of always equal duration / frequency ?

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08/22/2023 10:20 AM

It's an old problem. Any standard can only be certified by comparing it with a more accurate or equally accurate standard.

I think in the question of time standards, the answer is taking a number of identical atomic clocks, widely separated to avoid any correlated interference, and seeing how long they stay synchronized. If after a long period of time, when there is a discernible difference, the standard deviation should give a value for the accuracy.

https://www.labroots.com/trending/chemistry-and-physics/21278/world-s-accurate-clock-2

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08/22/2023 8:57 PM

If you think this is BS, please forgive me.

I'm not claiming to have an answer. But, something to think about is a philosophical question: Does/can time exist without any way to measure it? In other words, will destroying your clock destroy time? Will "not having a tape measure" destroy length? If Time is one of the dimensions, then it still "is what it is" regardless of measurement methods. If you really want to know what Time is, then studying its method of measurement will not give you the answer. You should ask questions like, "Does Time depend on anything else to exist? (for example, an observer, like quantum physics requires); Or, "If Time is a dimension, does that mean Time is a characteristic of something else,or is it a "thing" in its own right? (or vice versa)"; Or for that matter, "Does Space depend on length, or does length depend on Space (or are they one and the same thing). And, how does that answer apply to Time?"; Or even, "What is a dimension, really, anyway? A dimension of what? Doesn't a dimension depend on the thing within the dimension? Or, does that thing depend on the dimensions? Can they be separated from each other?". Which is the "thing", and which is the characteristic? How do you know if you're really measuring the "thing", or its characteristic?

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08/23/2023 7:11 AM

An overnight flight from Vancouver to London leaves at 21:00 and is due in London at 08:00 the next day.

An observer in northern Greenland gets woken by its passing overhead at 03:30.

At that moment, what time is it inside the aircraft (rhetorical question - NNTR)?

Time is a matter of personal experience, and is the concept only of the observer and the time zone in which the observer is located. "Clocks back one hour", or the equivalent in the local language, is a sign that can be found in many locations when one is travelling west on land across time zones.

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08/23/2023 11:55 AM

I've been on one of those flights, wishing it were time for a meal, only to be told to change my watch.

And, by the way, what time is it on the North or South pole?

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08/24/2023 10:11 AM

Time is a matter of personal experience, and is the concept only of the observer and the time zone in which the observer is located.

I think that may be what Bergson was getting at.

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09/01/2023 6:52 AM

A E had it right:Time is relative.

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08/23/2023 7:39 AM

"A clever Professor named Bright

could travel much faster than light.

He left one day

in a relative way

and came home the previous night."

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08/23/2023 1:36 PM

I have from time to time, pondered the passage of time . . .

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08/23/2023 10:39 PM

Conceptually speaking and in this limited realm in which we live; time is the distence between cause and effect. When cause and effect are one time ceases to exist.

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08/24/2023 9:55 AM

IMHO:Time is a measure of at least 2 events.One event is the reference,and the other is the measured event.

So the question is could one measure time with any events?

I think not.

Even the atomic clocks have a reference,and in order for a device to be a valid reference,for NIST Standards,it must be at least (3 or 4, I am not sure) times more accurate than the measured device.

So what is more accurate than the cesium clock by which they measure it?They measure it by comparing to another reference--what reference?

They are still comparing 2 devices(events) arbitrarily.

So Albert was right..time is relative to one's perspective of other events;No events, no time.

There was no time before the BB,(Or whatever thumped the first domino from which all other events are caused);No events to measure,and no events beyond the EH of a Black Hole.

Okay,I have just vented my opinion on time and events.(pardon the pun).

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09/01/2023 9:15 AM

If time was not omnipresent, why does it take eons for light to get here? My second is your second, no matter the distance.

Time is never relative.....it is set and the same for all. True universal time. All dynamics have the same clock. There is only one time. Common to all.

There is only one time, one length, and one structure is this entire universe.

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09/02/2023 12:41 AM

Time is just Mother Nature's way of keeping everything from happening all at once.

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