Trying to Source Auto Parts

Yes I've found a few of those: the trouble is that it does not include the part I need

Could you at least be a little clearer about what the damaged part actually is?

Yeah. are we talking a bearing, a seal, a drive sprocket? ...from what I've seen one end is a seal, and the other the sprocket....do you need both, more stuff? ...or just one end...It seems to me that if a bearing failed you would need the camshaft as well...a shop manual should have all the parts listed, so I would check that...

Thanks Solar: I bought the shop manual. It's really difficult to use: it is an OVA file which runs in a virtual machine which you have to install first. It is incredibly detailed, but does not include the part numbers: it has a link out to Fords own parts data base but you need a password to access it.

I looked into Haynes manuals too and apparently they also do not include part numbers.

Maybe the damaged part prevents operation because its remains are not supposed to be part of the camshaft. That begs the question, where did they come from and how badly damaged is it there?

I'm going to go to the garage today to try to get a better idea.

All I've got at the moment is an EM from them saying they need parts 6250A and 6250B together with the picture I put in the OP.

All the diagrams I've found seem to be different, and, have different ways of labelling the parts.

So it seems that the damaged part is the timing ring, on the exhaust side camshaft. I'm accepting that I can't buy the ring on it's own, so, will buy the camshaft almost certainly a part number like ????-6250-A

The trouble is the US sites don't recognise my car, and the UK sites don't seem to acknowledge that anyone would want to buy a camshaft.

For whatever it may be worth...

While digging around, I remember seeing a Ford observation that the 1.5L and 1.6L have a +/- 85% parts interchangeability.

The 1.5L was created from the 1.6L to be under a displacement limit, this to reduce import taxes.

Are the cams interchangeable? Dunno. Prolly not, but maybe?

Has your mechanic checked to see if your car is on a recall list for this known issue?

Need part number...

OE/OEM Part Number DS7G-6C524- AA

Does it look like this?

I think that that's the part which engages with the Cam belt: the part which is damaged is at the other end.

I found one site that pointed out that the exhaust camshaft came with the timing ring pre-aligned. I wasn't sure if it was the correct Kuga camshaft for you so I did not provide a link. The alignment of the timing ring to the lob angle is critical. You probably need a new camshaft assembly and not just the timing ring.

Overheating an engine often damages many parts of the engine. You and your mechanic's difficulty in locating this replacement part may be because once this part is damaged most scrap the whole engine. This is common for interference engines when they lose mechanical timing while moving.

Randall, I find several sources that say the BB5Z-6250 intake and exhaust cams are incorrect for the 1.5L EcoBoost engine, any year.

Thanks

The numbers 6250 appear to be used for a lot of different cams...It's the first 4 letters/digits that are important for the proper cam, and the A & B designation for exhaust or intake side of motor....

I only did this for my brother because he was desperate and willing to try it.I told him it probably would not last long,if at all.

I was surprised that it did not give any problems.

The load was mainly compressive so it did not have a lot of shear load.The previous owner probably hotrodded and power shifted it to cause the breakage,or pulled off of a slick surface onto a dry one at full throttle and the sudden shock load ripped the mount.

The Spring feel cement has a very strong bond to all rubber,almost a molecular bond.Hard to separate two rubber parts when joined this way,and after the acetone cleaning,the rubber was softened to improve the bond.

The product is no longer available,probably because it worked too well.

Oh, I was just teasing you. No offense intended.

We’ve all been there. Sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do.

Field expedient solutions are, after all, solutions.

I suspect if we can help Randall come up with a field expedient solution to this particular problem it will be embraced.

What's that up in the road..a head?(HTRN-ism)

Yes the mysterious coolant leakdown...maybe time for a newer engine upgrade...2.5 turbo? You don't seem to have the complete part nos...a few letters can make a big difference...I would try to find a local support group online...

https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-seal_be8z-6k292-c.html

https://www.kugaownersclub.co.uk/threads/2014-kuga-2l-diesel-overheating.13963/

The Kuga sold pretty well here in South Africa, but I cannot recall what size petrol EcoBoost engine was used. Maybe try here and Australia?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRBxeS1abl6MbQM4Z4mAjusW-M9jNm7Xs

I found this:https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313&_nkw=6250A+ford&_sacat=0

It is the cam shaft complete.

Does this look like it?It has the right numbers.

Here is a link to Kuga parts,maybe they can help

https://www.kmotorshop.com/en/article-list/list/car/108768/tree-shop%7C268?filter=0&itemsPerPage=10&style=1

(Note to self: Do not buy used machinery from HiTekRedNek, or any of his relatives)

You haven’t said if you have nailed down a correct part #.

This yootoob video discusses the intake and exhaust cams, the phaser rings, and the reluctor setup. Of value here might be, he shows where you can find the part numbers engraved in the OEM parts.

He says you can source all parts individually. He is replacing all three, and they did not ship to him assembled.

Man, I hope this helps. Having your vehicle stored unfunctional, unassembled, unuseable... this produces a special sort of anxiety. Good luck to you.

Thatsa GM ecotec ....He's gotta Ford ecoboost...probably some differences..

What?

Wow, that’s a bit disconcerting.

Anbody seen my eyeglasses?

I'm fumbling around in the dark here: I've got two possible favourites now:

BM5Z-6250-C It's for the 1.6L ecoboost : the 1.5 is derived from the 1.6 (thanks Doorman), so it might fit.

Includes the point that Redfred keeps making about the "trigger ring" being pre-alligned.

In desperation I tried chat GPT: it came up with DS7G-6A272

This seems to be born out by a few sellers I've found in Greece, Poland, Spain and Ukraine!

This is from the Polish site

An encouraging thing here is that you can read the part number on the picture

But 1560 Zlotty is about 360 dollars.

This part number also encourages me to believe that the separate timing ring Solar found earlier may be correct.

I'm going back to the garage to persuade the mechanic to let me look at the part. If it has that part number on it, or, any part number then at least I know what I'm looking for.

Then I will go to a Ford garage with a parts department to get them to look up the part number.

I guess I should have done these two things earlier.

This is the actual part out of my engine

It took me a while to persuade the mechanic that that is the inlet camshaft not the exhaust camshaft (Which is what I've been looking for.).

This is the damaged end:-

I think that brown stuff is magnetic material so no chance of repairing it.

At least I now know exactly what I'm looking for:

DS7G-6A270

I think I found the crux of your parts-sourcing problem. I searched for the part number and the results do cross-reference to a KUGA II MK2 1.5 Ecoboost engine. Unfortunately, a preponderance of the sites are written in Russian. As long as sanctions for the war in Ukraine remain standing, nobody is getting parts from Russia.

A lot of those sites in Russian are actually Ukraine sites ( .ua at end of URL ), but they nearly all seem to be "broker sites" for this part in Poland

https://allegro.pl/oferta/kuga-ii-mk2-1-5-ecoboost-walek-rozrzadu-ssacy-14013429025

1308 Zloty is about $300 plus I guess about $100 to ship it if I could get them to.

BUT, I found one in the UK

Although he describes it as the exhaust side it has the 6A270 part code for the inlet side. I also got him to confirm that the other half of the part code (DS7G) was on the other side of the shaft, before I bought.

You might consider taking the cam, if it is in spec otherwise, to a machine shop and have them repair that end piece...maybe take both cams for comparison....they might say "no problem" or they might say "no chance"....anyway, just a thought...

Isn’t that under the umbrella of ‘Stuff the mechanic is responsible for’?

What’s up with that Randall? Sounds like you mechanic shop is shirking a fair amount of what I would consider their part of the deal.

I did talk to the mechanic about repairing it, and he said it was impossible. He might be wrong but I'm in the garage's hands.

Something has been bugging me about this image and I think I finally figured out what that is. The damage to that flange(?) looks more like it is from impact instead of warping from overheating. If this is an interference engine that lost mechanical timing I would expect valve and piston damage. The cam lobes themselves might have divots from a valve impact. What hit this flange and how badly damaged is it? It also makes me wonder if this was damaged during removal and not an engine overheating seizure.

On another note, did you notice this link in my search? They claim to have this intake camshaft, in stock, for $126.

Good Luck

I did wonder if the part got dropped rather than damaged when the engine overheated.

I don't think I could prove anything.

Before I retired I used a garage about 100 yards from where I worked: they never let me down in over thirty years. If I got the car to them or left it somewhere for them to pick up the night before or in the morning they always got the parts and had it ready by the time I needed to go home. Every garage I have used near where I live has been useless. When I broke down recently (that's a joke, August the 12th about 100 miles away: it took the recovery company four trips and over six days to get it to the garage) I just looked at review scores for local garages and this one came out on top. Although I can't say they're great I think they might be the least worst of the ones I've tried near here.

DAMN that does look like a better deal than the one I found. Good to have it in reserve for when the post office either loses or damages the one I've ordered.

Did you get the right part? Is the repair finished or did something else happen?

Unbelievably still ongoing. Although the part I bought showed the inlet part code it was the exhaust side (which was how he described it). We opened it in the garage, and saw that it was the wrong part, but, the mechanic said he would be able to move the timing wheel from the "new" exhaust cam to my original inlet cam.

I wasn't convinced because I believe that the timing is done with magnetic bands in the outer edge of the timing ring (I'm just guessing the outer material looks magnetic to me), and I can easily imagine that the two would be different.

Anyway every time I ring for an update they sat it's ongoing and will ring me back with more information, but, never do.

You have my sympathies. I wonder if the other, undamaged cam has a part number stamping that is an exhaust or inlet cam part number.

I see two plausible scenarios for this part number confusion. When this repair shop did their initial disassembly of the motor they misplaced the removed cam assemblies. (This might be related to dropping one.)

The other scenario I see is the wrong part at the factory was originally put into the exhaust cam location. Possibly inlet and exhaust cam assemblies were swapped or two inlet cams were used. Either might explain why the engine eventually overheated in the first place.

Good Luck

https://www.xdalys.lt/en/ford-kuga-mk2-15-ecoboost-camshaft-intake_camshafts

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread: I don't think I'd have got anywhere without your input.

In the end I bought the required cam shaft from Greece for about £110 (about ($140) at the end of last year. After lots more false starts I finally got my car back last Saturday the second of March (it broke down on the 12th of August).

I need to decide whether or not to keep it and risk another problem, or, sell it and get something else.

Thanks for the update!

it is good to hear the outcome and we do not often get that .