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Trying to Source Auto Parts

09/05/2023 8:47 AM

I overheated the engine in my Ford Kuga 2015 1.5L Ecoboost gas 150HP: Ford Escape in the USA but I don't believe this model is available over there, however the engine is probably used in other models.

The two parts 6250A and 6250B from the ends of the cam shafts are damaged.

My garage says that Ford in the UK cannot supply the parts except in a new engine.

I wondered if anyone on that side of the pond could find a source.

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09/05/2023 9:56 AM

A search for Ford and 6250B produced this complete camshaft assembly. Ford and 6250A search produced this complete camshaft assembly. I suspect the Ford engineers believe the bearing(?) ends must meet some critical tolerance with the camshaft that they are integral to the assembly.

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09/07/2023 9:50 AM

Yes I've found a few of those: the trouble is that it does not include the part I need

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09/07/2023 12:44 PM

Could you at least be a little clearer about what the damaged part actually is?

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09/07/2023 6:05 PM

Yeah. are we talking a bearing, a seal, a drive sprocket? ...from what I've seen one end is a seal, and the other the sprocket....do you need both, more stuff? ...or just one end...It seems to me that if a bearing failed you would need the camshaft as well...a shop manual should have all the parts listed, so I would check that...

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09/11/2023 6:30 AM

Thanks Solar: I bought the shop manual. It's really difficult to use: it is an OVA file which runs in a virtual machine which you have to install first. It is incredibly detailed, but does not include the part numbers: it has a link out to Fords own parts data base but you need a password to access it.

I looked into Haynes manuals too and apparently they also do not include part numbers.

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09/07/2023 9:47 PM

Maybe the damaged part prevents operation because its remains are not supposed to be part of the camshaft. That begs the question, where did they come from and how badly damaged is it there?

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09/08/2023 6:08 AM

I'm going to go to the garage today to try to get a better idea.

All I've got at the moment is an EM from them saying they need parts 6250A and 6250B together with the picture I put in the OP.

All the diagrams I've found seem to be different, and, have different ways of labelling the parts.

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09/08/2023 11:27 AM

So it seems that the damaged part is the timing ring, on the exhaust side camshaft. I'm accepting that I can't buy the ring on it's own, so, will buy the camshaft almost certainly a part number like ????-6250-A

The trouble is the US sites don't recognise my car, and the UK sites don't seem to acknowledge that anyone would want to buy a camshaft.

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09/08/2023 6:40 PM

For whatever it may be worth...

While digging around, I remember seeing a Ford observation that the 1.5L and 1.6L have a +/- 85% parts interchangeability.

The 1.5L was created from the 1.6L to be under a displacement limit, this to reduce import taxes.

Are the cams interchangeable? Dunno. Prolly not, but maybe?

Has your mechanic checked to see if your car is on a recall list for this known issue?

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09/08/2023 9:09 PM

Need part number...

OE/OEM Part Number DS7G-6C524- AA

Does it look like this?

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09/11/2023 10:58 AM

I think that that's the part which engages with the Cam belt: the part which is damaged is at the other end.

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09/08/2023 10:32 PM

I found one site that pointed out that the exhaust camshaft came with the timing ring pre-aligned. I wasn't sure if it was the correct Kuga camshaft for you so I did not provide a link. The alignment of the timing ring to the lob angle is critical. You probably need a new camshaft assembly and not just the timing ring.

Overheating an engine often damages many parts of the engine. You and your mechanic's difficulty in locating this replacement part may be because once this part is damaged most scrap the whole engine. This is common for interference engines when they lose mechanical timing while moving.

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09/07/2023 4:04 PM

Randall, I find several sources that say the BB5Z-6250 intake and exhaust cams are incorrect for the 1.5L EcoBoost engine, any year.

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Thanks

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09/09/2023 2:53 AM

The numbers 6250 appear to be used for a lot of different cams...It's the first 4 letters/digits that are important for the proper cam, and the A & B designation for exhaust or intake side of motor....

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09/09/2023 6:15 PM

I only did this for my brother because he was desperate and willing to try it.I told him it probably would not last long,if at all.

I was surprised that it did not give any problems.

The load was mainly compressive so it did not have a lot of shear load.The previous owner probably hotrodded and power shifted it to cause the breakage,or pulled off of a slick surface onto a dry one at full throttle and the sudden shock load ripped the mount.

The Spring feel cement has a very strong bond to all rubber,almost a molecular bond.Hard to separate two rubber parts when joined this way,and after the acetone cleaning,the rubber was softened to improve the bond.

The product is no longer available,probably because it worked too well.

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09/09/2023 6:54 PM

Oh, I was just teasing you. No offense intended.

We’ve all been there. Sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do.

Field expedient solutions are, after all, solutions.

I suspect if we can help Randall come up with a field expedient solution to this particular problem it will be embraced.

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09/09/2023 9:14 PM

No offense taken..no problem I just decided to explain what I did in case someone thought that the metal part of the mount had broken.The mount was broken in the middle of the rubber.

I threw the G Washington hatchet in just for fun.

I have used that line a few times and am surprised in the number of people that wanted to buy it.I always told them it is too late,already sold.

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09/09/2023 9:16 PM

What's that up in the road..a head?(HTRN-ism)

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09/05/2023 12:48 PM

Uh-oh...

Excerpted from this article:

1. Ford Kuga Engine Problems

The Ford Kuga Engine problems are no news. Whether in the UK or the US, if you owned the second-generation Kuga or third-generation Escape, it’s the same. The Kuga has reported multiple overheating faults resulting in engine meltdown or fires.

This problem was mostly seen in the models between 2012-2016, where the engine would overheat to an extent that it breaks down. However, the drivers won’t find out until the vehicle stops itself due to loss of power.

This might be the root cause of parts being difficult to source.

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09/05/2023 5:11 PM

Yes the mysterious coolant leakdown...maybe time for a newer engine upgrade...2.5 turbo? You don't seem to have the complete part nos...a few letters can make a big difference...I would try to find a local support group online...

https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-seal_be8z-6k292-c.html

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09/05/2023 11:47 PM

https://www.kugaownersclub.co.uk/threads/2014-kuga-2l-diesel-overheating.13963/

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09/08/2023 7:14 AM

The Kuga sold pretty well here in South Africa, but I cannot recall what size petrol EcoBoost engine was used. Maybe try here and Australia?

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09/09/2023 8:32 AM

I found this:https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313&_nkw=6250A+ford&_sacat=0

It is the cam shaft complete.

Does this look like it?It has the right numbers.

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09/09/2023 8:51 AM

My brother had an Opel that was made in South America,somewhere.It had a broken drivers side motor mount.Parts not available from factory in US or there.

This was many years before the 'Net was even dreamed of.No search engines,just phone calls.

I did a McGiver on it,and cleaned the broken rubber, which had cracked in the middle,with acetone and glued it back together with Springfeel glue,that was used to put liners on rollers,and it never failed again.

I did not think it would hold,but it did, and he sold it 5 years later,still holding.

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09/09/2023 9:04 AM

(Note to self: Do not buy used machinery from HiTekRedNek, or any of his relatives)

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09/09/2023 6:18 PM

I have a hatchet for sale.

It is the one that George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree.The head has been replaced 6 times,and the handle had been replaced 10 times,but aside from that it is all original.

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09/10/2023 9:35 AM

Good job it wasn't Lincoln's: the head would have been replaced far more times.

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09/10/2023 6:19 PM

You haven’t said if you have nailed down a correct part #.

This yootoob video discusses the intake and exhaust cams, the phaser rings, and the reluctor setup. Of value here might be, he shows where you can find the part numbers engraved in the OEM parts.

He says you can source all parts individually. He is replacing all three, and they did not ship to him assembled.

Man, I hope this helps. Having your vehicle stored unfunctional, unassembled, unuseable... this produces a special sort of anxiety. Good luck to you.

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09/11/2023 6:24 AM

Thatsa GM ecotec ....He's gotta Ford ecoboost...probably some differences..

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09/11/2023 8:59 AM

What?

Wow, that’s a bit disconcerting.

Anbody seen my eyeglasses?

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09/11/2023 7:01 AM

I'm fumbling around in the dark here: I've got two possible favourites now:

BM5Z-6250-C It's for the 1.6L ecoboost : the 1.5 is derived from the 1.6 (thanks Doorman), so it might fit.

Includes the point that Redfred keeps making about the "trigger ring" being pre-alligned.

In desperation I tried chat GPT: it came up with DS7G-6A272

This seems to be born out by a few sellers I've found in Greece, Poland, Spain and Ukraine!

This is from the Polish site

An encouraging thing here is that you can read the part number on the picture