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Radio Waves and Smoke Signals

02/24/2024 6:32 AM

There are frequencies that we cannot hear,light that we cannot see,and possibly other natural energies that we cannot imagine or perceive with present day equipment.

A very advanced civilization may consider electromagnetic waves the same as we think of smoke signals.RF is not any good over very long distances such as between stars or galaxies;Too much delay:only travels at C.

Perhaps they know how "Spooky action at a distance" works and are using that for communication,and we are listening on the wrong"channel".

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Re: Radio Waves and Smoke Signals

02/24/2024 8:24 AM

My understanding is that "spooky action at a distance" cannot be used to send a message. If you measure the spin of a particle, the result is completely random. Its entangled partner would have a correlated spin, but that value would have no meaning to the receiver.

So you could send a random signal FTL, but you have no control over what you're sending.

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02/24/2024 9:00 AM

imagine that you have two entangled particles.One at the receiving end,and one at the sending end.The are deliberately entangled and sent to a distant point,say Mars for example.If one particle changes,so does the other in no time.The limit is how far away you can send the receiving particle.

They have successfully entangled multiple particles and eventually many more will be possible.

You send another entangled particle as far away as possible from Mars with your current technology, and repeat in a leap- frog manner.

In a few million years you could establish many such relay stations.The universe is billions of years old,and the civilization on the Earth is relatively young.

This could establish a real time communication network across the universe.

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02/25/2024 12:35 AM

Wouldn't duration of one spin versus another constitute a FM square wave?

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02/25/2024 11:47 AM

Maybe you could use morse code or binary, that was just about on and off time, so the directional change would be the message...

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02/25/2024 12:39 PM

That is what I mean..a change in spin would be a zero or one,determined before hand.

With multiple bits individually entangled,there would eventually be no limit.All present computers use ON and Off as logic at machine level.(And of course,tri-state logic).

Each send/receive unit will require a computer for processing locally.

With multiple entanglement,many receivers could all be receiving and transmitting at the same time regardless of the distance.Then we might find the true speed of light.

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02/24/2024 11:48 PM

While we are wondering, let's wander in a different direction. Is this universe actually 4-dimensional, but we can observe only 3 of them? (I mean 4 spatial dimensions, not space-time.) Could we tap this 4th dimension, and what would it do for us? Accepting that the Bible is true, there are a couple of places in it where four descriptors are used to describe an object: length, width, breadth, and depth. That leads us to decide that God is a 4-D being, and we can then extend this to an explanation of all of the Biblical miracles.

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02/25/2024 8:00 AM

To enable the utilization of the so-called "spooky motion" phenomena, I believe a physical interpeter like a "sensor" must physically be made and available.. The concept of quantum entanglement in order to be utilized, we need a matching physical "sensing element" to serve as a technology interpreter in my view is badly needed, as an inteface to match the present level of technology, together with our knowledge and understanding..

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02/27/2024 4:57 PM

As I stated,there must be a receiver and transmitter physically located at the send and receive end.Just like a NIC card in a computer.The limit to distance will be the maximum distance you can place them apart,therefore I proposed a "Leap Frog" type relay system,with each step limited by the technological ability to place the pairs apart.

It would take many years,perhaps millions or billions of years to do this,but when C is surpassed,it would not matter, the old relay stations would be abandoned.

Perhaps as we advance,we may find some of these antiquated relay stations,but not in our lifetime.

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02/26/2024 5:18 AM

Undefined: <...we...> and <...they...>; it is difficult to conceive what is being negotiated, by whom, and with what authority to do so.

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02/26/2024 9:05 AM

Definition of terms used in original posts and replies:

WE: Earthling humans at the present state of technology,as of Feb 2024.

THEY: Civilizations that are millions or billions of years more technologically advanced than "US".

US: see WE.

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We see billions of galaxies presently,but we only see most of them as they were billions of years ago,not as they are NOW.

It is possible that some of these galaxies have habitable environs and have progressed so far ahead of us that we may be considered by them in the same way as we consider ants,or even bacteria.

As man's knowledge has increased,our ego has shrunk to realize how puny we are and how insignificant we are in the greater universe.The entire Milky Way could disappear ,without very much effect on the "Big Picture":The Universe.

"Remember,it is I who have created you,and not ye yourselves"

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02/27/2024 2:00 AM

In order to tap into alien communication, we would have to find that all matter has some common entangled particles, but would it be in one element? ...if so which one? ....and how would we discover that? ...perhaps each element has a separate channel...

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02/27/2024 6:59 AM

All known matter and energy in our universe was once all in one place at the same "time" (although there was no" time").

Entanglement perhaps places the two particles in the same state of unity,where time does not exist between them.?

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02/27/2024 7:37 AM

But aren't we all composed of cosmic materials? ...are we entangled with other beings from distant galaxies?

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https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/communications_with_extraterrestrial.pdf

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02/27/2024 4:41 PM

That is what the Buddhists say."We are one with all".

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02/27/2024 4:47 PM

Imagine a civilization that has conquered the speed of light.They would have also conquered time and gravity by default.What we see in the stars and galaxies are images from billions of years ago,and they could be among us right now( our local time),and we would not know.

If they could move faster than C we could never observe them.

Everything is speculation and imagination at this point in our time.

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