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WIN11 New Install Problems

08/25/2024 12:21 PM

I am about at my wit's end on this piece of ****I know security is very important,even taken to the extreme,but when a system is declared personal,it should be easy to install and set up.I do not have anything worth stealing on my computer even so,I make frequent backups of the most recent files.

The new Win11 installation was going fine until it asked fora password,which I had never entered and would not accept anything I input.It then went to "Enter a pass phrase" which I had no idea about,and it is stuck on that screen.All remedies from on line sources presume I can get to desktop,but I cannot get to anything that will allow me to enter text.I only have the back ground image and the requests for a Pass Phrase.I am old and don't have the patience that I used to with things like this and it is trying to stress me out,so I just go away for a while and come back at it to no avail.Bios does not have the option to change boot device,or I would change it to boot from a CD or or thumb drive and install the ISO file for WIN10

I have gone back to my WIN10 computer temporarily for the comfort of familiarity.

Thanks in advance for any and all help on this problem.

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Re: WIN11 new install problems

08/25/2024 1:03 PM

I feel your pain. I have several computers I need to update, I guess, but I'm not looking forward to messing with it.

A pass phrase serves the same function as a password except that it's supposed to be harder to guess. It's just a short sentence that is easy to remember because it means something personal to you. I haven't ever used one.

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08/25/2024 2:51 PM

The problem is I was never prompted to enter a password or pass phrase in the previous steps of installation.

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08/25/2024 3:02 PM

It's giving you the default option, just go to windows 10 and reset your password, then go to advanced security options and enter your preference....select pin is the easiest...then come back here and start over again...haha

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08/25/2024 4:12 PM

Give some more details.I know it seems simple to you,but presume I know nothing about WIN11.

Another thing that happened was somewhere during the installation of WIN11,it accessed my WIN10 computer and screwed things up there.It installed One Drive,and screwed up my monitor resolution,and moved all of my desktop icons from my preferred position;Muscle memory is hard to erase, and I had to reposition all of my desktop icons.The Win 10 computer was on the same network as the Win 11,but it was turned off and WIN11 did not ask permission,and as soon as I turned on the WIN10 computer ,it started a long drawn out process of messing everything up.It did not do a normal start up,which is very fast. GRRRRR!It proceeded with at least 30 minute of BULLSheite,like software was being installed ;"Do no turn computer off...10 minutes remaining,XXX percent complete,etc. and did this several time for at least 30 minutes.

When it finally came up,it was a different desktop from usual.

All my background images were gone.Text was resized smaller that I had it originally.

What gives them the right to do all of this without permission?

I am considering switching to Redhat and deleting anything Microsoft.Sure there will be a learning curve,but it might be better in the long run.I had rather expend my efforts on something that is not so invasive and aggravating.

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08/25/2024 4:44 PM

It just reset everything to the default settings...You still have control, you just need to reset everything you find disagreeable to your own preferences...

start here...↓↓↓

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/how-to-sign-in-to-a-microsoft-account-2ffedaca-6e1b-bc18-f28c-58539e1cb6d3

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09/02/2024 6:32 AM

OOPS! My bad. I did not meant to type Sheite. It was supposed to be s***. It was pointed out to me that some might have been offended by it.It was an unintentional error.My spell check did not catch it,and neither did I until reading the post backward and forward several times.I was typing very fast because I was very stressed out and still had lots of adrenaline in my system and my fingers were moving faster than my brain and eyes.

I sincerely apologize to anyone that was offended by this unintentional error.

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08/25/2024 5:14 PM

We might have to send our anger management team out there....

Head Doctor....

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08/25/2024 7:10 PM

I just found out that WIN11 deleted my primary email account and changed my email passwords.

My secondary email still works however,I do not get any emails on my primary account.

I can manage my anger,but I wish whomsoever did this would get bitten by their mother(s) when she crawls out from under the porch.

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08/25/2024 7:37 PM

Bad boy, bad boy....

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08/26/2024 1:58 AM

Amazing thing happened during the night.

I booted up my win 10 computer in the wee hours,after sitting for a few hours,and everything was back to normal,as it was prior to the munk up.I don't understand it,but I will not look a gift horse in the mouth.Weird I know!But however it happened,I am happy.

Now I just have to conquer that WIN 11 install.

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08/26/2024 7:41 AM

I feel you pain. I fear your pain.

Many things about modern Windows make me angry. One is the way you often have to just sit there and hope something useful intentional is happening. In the old days you would get an hourglass if the computer was sitting there thinking. Now you can sometimes have 10 - 15 minutes of waiting without any sign of the aneurysm wheel going round and round. It shouldn't be that tough for them to post the aneurysm wheel if they expect me to wait. Better yet, tell me why I am waiting.

Another gripe is them both changing things and installing unwanted things. A couple of months ago one of the forced updates did a partial installation of X-Box something. Now, every time I boot I get warning messages that the X-Box installation is not complete. I know they want more money from me, but they should try the old fashioned way of offering something extra that I want.

OneDrive. I normally do rather well at constructing sentences that have meaningful content and don't contain too many four letter words. OneDrive makes that very challenging. I no longer store files under C:\users\MyName. I often can't find them later, and I don't really want all my personal files to be stored on Bill Gates cloud server. When I think I am storing under the normal MyDocuments I seem to have no control over where the files go, and no control over my privacy. Sometimes the files go to my computer, sometimes they go to the Bill Gates cloud.

If your internet is down then all your cloud files are down.

When forcing you to put your data on OneDrive, Microsoft is also forcing you to put all your data where they have control over you. If you happen to be exposed to both red and blue news you will know that many people have social media accounts turned off (and all content lost) after they state their opinions on free speech, gun control, the border, COVID, men beating up women at the olympics, naked boys in the girls locker room, etc. It shouldn't be so difficult to put your own data on your own computer and have it stay there. No company should have the power to wipe out your personal computer based upon their scoring of your compliance with their political and social goals. If you give someone else your data to store then you have given someone else control over your data.

Your RedHat comment: I always have 2 computers on my desk. My default machine for many years has been a Linux Mint with the Cinnamon user interface. It is a fork-off from the Ubuntu family. I find that sometimes I must use my Windows machine, but my low stress, always friendly to me computer is my Linux Mint box. I turn it on and it works. I know, that is a very strange thing to hear. I'll repeat myself, I turn it on and it works. I never have to wait 10 minutes for, well, I often don't know why I wait 10 minutes on my Windows box.

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08/26/2024 9:26 AM

Linux is a stripped down version of Unix.Same commands and programming.A client had a problem with all his machines getting the date wrong on reports every week.It would be reset manually,but would be off the next week by 2 days.A real PITA on 25 machines.

Unix and Linux use the Julian Calendar.Modern America uses the Gregorian calendar,which is 12 days ahead of the Julian calendar.Different parts of the world switched to Gregorian at different times.

America changed to the Gregorian calendar in October 1867.

People went to bed on the 6th of October and woke up on the 18th of October.

There were protests demanding their 12 days back!

Banks and the military refused to change.

The banks because they did not want to lose 12 days interest,and the military because it would add confusion to their history.They still use the Julian Calendar.

This is also the reason some people celebrate "Old Christmas" (December 25th through January 6th).

Hence the song"12 days of Christmas" in case you wondered about that origin.

Anyway,I wrote a short script file and installed it on all of the 25 machines using FTP and it instantly corrected the problem without affecting the running of the machines.

Some companies mislabel a product with a so called "Julian date code" but it is really a misnomer.You can easily see it on egg cartons.The number is actually the "Nth" day of the year the eggs were processed.I always check this on my eggs and other perishables.

Other companies have their own system of coding,like bread has different colors on the ties to indicate the date,which seems to vary a lot.Once you know the particular brand's code color,you can pick the freshest one.

Bar code on the dealer tag on the window of new cars at the dealership have the actual cost to the dealership encoded in it. I mentioned that I knew the actual cost,and he pleaded with me not to tell anyone,so I will leave it to you to decipher the code for yourself.

A little long winded on the reply,but I hope you found some value in it.

I STILL DON'T LIKE WIN11.

Europe has much stricter rules on privacy than we do,because we are governed by a Plutocracy.Don't take my word for it,just look around and form your own opinion

IMHO:(Which is still legal at the present time). However,I may see the men in black showing up any day now.

Some large companies' motto is : "A good judge is a judge that stays paid."

I STILL DON'T LIKE WIN11.

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08/27/2024 7:17 AM

I have been using Win 11 for several months, former Win7 Pro user. There is a learning curve, MS claims they have made it easier and more powerful. I really can't answer that as I only use basic spreadsheets, word processing and web surfing. For some reason it wont start in the main screen but opens with search engine main page.

The only useful thing I have discovered is that doesn't randomly move the Desktop Icons

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08/27/2024 1:01 PM

I understand the need for security,but they have taken it to the extreme for a personal computer,IMHO.

Next revisions will probably,gradually require a blood sample for DNA analysis,a retinal scan, urine sample,feces sample, a body odor analyzer,a heartbeat rhythm analyzer,a body temp scanner,to make certain you did not remove someone's else's eyeball, a heart beat detected within the eyeball during the retinal scan to make sure it is a live eyeball,and many other tests that even a paranoid person like me cannot think of.

I have decided to download an ISO file for WIN 11 and do a complete reinstall.

Wish me luck!

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08/27/2024 1:29 PM

I built a new desktop rig and put 11 on it. 11 is awful. I have threatened to re-install 10. It takes more clicks to do the same functions as 10. More clicks to find and open.

But the most disturbing thing is the activity tracking. They insist on identifying every device to a person. And recording all activity. To each person.

I had to go into registry to remove id. So I was ok for a while. Then hotmail change it’s security and my Thunderbird mail would not work. So I had to install Outlook to get my mail.

And outlook….is worst the 11 for tracking. Even if I don’t open up outlook……..it is still connected to MS with my id. If the rig is on, outlook is on.

It is now impossible to use MS, without being tracked and recorded.

Unless you go back to win 10. And then you have to set it up without it knowing your email. But it will allow a non email account.

There are some hacks to get around this on 11, but they will sure it up soon.

MS is a bug of all your activity. It’s unreal. And in the future, if not now, all personal data will be put in A.I. Instant personal history of every person. Including medical history. ALL history. Your household conversions. Predictions will be made about you, with this data. Judgments and classifications too. If not already. Medical judgments, credit judgments, criminal judgments.

Your only option is linux. And a VPN. But it is not user friendly and it has very limited apps. And if it has an app, it only has one app. Not a selection of apps.

Not to mention all the different distributions, and all the different file alignments of them. Sorta like different versions of win. And every version has it own click group. A solution or function on one distribution might be different than another distribution.

It’s a mess. And you need much geekyness to use it.

LOCAL ACCOUNT, that what I was trying to remember. 10 will allow it, 11 needs a verifiable email to set account. But don’t forget the tracking. They have added several new background apps to track you.

They say it’s to give you a more customized, enjoyable media device computing experience.

Right.

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08/27/2024 2:49 PM

Baseball,Hot Dogs and Apple pie and Plutocracy

Government of the many by the few,of the few and for the few.

See link below for more info.

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Plutocracy

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08/28/2024 5:45 PM

Best solution: dump Micro$oft, avoid Apple, install a Linux distro.

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08/29/2024 3:50 AM

I always ask myself "What does the new version offer me that that I want?" If it is nothing, which most updates are, then I do not bother. I changed to Apple just because I did not want to be dictatedby MS.

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09/01/2024 7:33 AM

I was finally able to do an end run around the pass phrase,but I had to disconnect my modem to do it.Something from the net was stopping me from changing anything on my win 10 computer.It acted like a Win 11 login screen.Anyway,I did a restore and so far everything on my win 10 computer is back to normal.I hope it stays that way.After reading up on Win 11 and how intrusive it is,I decided not to install it.I will stick with Win 10,which does everything I need to do,but I will upgrade my computer for the speed and memory enhancement.

I still have an old DOS computer and software,and floppy discs for my writing,and I even have an old DEC computer.
If I need anything on the net I will go to an Internet cafe.

DOS is not as user friendly as any Win.x,but I used to be pretty good with it,it will just take a little refreshing to get back to be at an efficient level again.

I even still have a 24pin dot matrix printer(KXP1124) that works and paper to feed it.I have printed a full box- 500 sheets of paper with no jams..it is very reliable if the paper is positioned properly.

IMHO: Windows,like all machines,was designed by geniuses to be operated by idiots. Most people are naturally lazy,and the less they have to think or do the better they like it.Remote controls on everything,Eventually, as Sci-Fi has predicted,the brains can be put in a jar and everything controlled by thought.

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09/05/2024 10:06 PM

Editing Ronald Reagan's famous quote, "I'm from Microsoft and I'm here to help."

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 was the last useful OS.

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