Previous in Forum: Interview: Transforming Motion with Electrostatic Motors   Next in Forum: lead poisoning
Close
Close
Close
8 comments
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 44.56024"N 15.307971E
Posts: 7754
Good Answers: 264

Rogue Waves

12/17/2024 5:08 AM

I have an idea about how rogue waves form.

Wind blowing across the water will naturally create waves. If the wind is uniform it will create uniform waves. However, when it gusts, the first wave to form will shield the wave ahead, causing it to collapse and yield it's power to the taller wave. This process continues and the larger wave begins absorbing energy from more and more of the smaller waves and a vortex forms over the crest of the taller wave, sweeping more and more water into it's base. The taller wave will form a "tongue" that curls over that laps up smaller waves as it goes.

Anyway, that's how I see it, and of course, I am not the only one to have had this idea.

Comments are welcome.

__________________
"A man never stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child." "Never argue with a stupid person.They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" "Homo homini lupus"
Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: rogue waves
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9711
Good Answers: 1111
#1

Re: Rogue Waves

12/17/2024 7:49 AM

Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9711
Good Answers: 1111
#8
In reply to #1

Re: Rogue Waves

12/19/2024 2:34 PM

Not exactly a "Rogue" wave, but pretty scary at 1719 feet...

"The 1958 Lituya Bay earthquake occurred on July 9, 1958, at 22:15:58 PST with a moment magnitude of 7.8 to 8.3 and a maximum Mercalli intensity of XI (Extreme).[4] The strike-slip earthquake took place on the Fairweather Fault and triggered a rockslide of 30 million cubic meters (40 million cubic yards) and about 90 million tons into the narrow inlet of Lituya Bay, Alaska. The impact was heard 80 kilometers (50 mi) away,[7] and the sudden displacement of water resulted in a megatsunami that washed out trees to a maximum elevation of 524 meters (1,719 feet) at the entrance of Gilbert Inlet.[8] This is the largest and most significant megatsunami in modern times; it forced a re-evaluation of large-wave events and the recognition of impact events, rockfalls, and landslides as causes of very large waves.[9]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Lituya_Bay_earthquake_and_megatsunami

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33168
Good Answers: 1803
#2

Re: Rogue Waves

12/18/2024 4:14 AM

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 44.56024"N 15.307971E
Posts: 7754
Good Answers: 264
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Rogue Waves

12/18/2024 4:57 AM

Mechanical movement it a lab situation can produce rogue waves on command.

I would like to see testing using only wind pulses across the surface of the water over long distances.

Rhythmic gusts could produce rogue waves, if the rhythm hit a certain frequency, pushing at the right time like kid on a swing getting higher and higher.

As the wave moves downwind, the doppler effect would alter the frequency it felt until it hit a resonant frequency which would amplify the energy.

No underwater obstruction required.

__________________
"A man never stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child." "Never argue with a stupid person.They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" "Homo homini lupus"
Register to Reply
Guru
Australia - Member - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2165
Good Answers: 253
#4

Re: Rogue Waves

12/18/2024 6:36 AM

Lake George in Australia, near Canberra was used to research rogue waves for some decades. It was selected as there was no commercial boating on the surface and it was generally large enough for wave formation.

There were monitoring structures in the lake with telemetry to transmit results.

That testing was concluded decades ago and the structures were part of a recent trivia "what is this?" question session.

They did achieve some level of predictive results that were applied into construction of offshore rigs and such around the world.

__________________
Just an Engineer from the land down under.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Sebastopol, California
Posts: 1139
Good Answers: 50
#5

Re: Rogue Waves

12/18/2024 11:19 AM

It's my understanding that they form when surface current is in one direction and the wind current is in the opposite direction. This creates a pile-up of water that occasionally forms a very large wave.

__________________
Most people are mostly good most of the time.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9711
Good Answers: 1111
#6

Re: Rogue Waves

12/19/2024 7:45 AM

According to NOAA, two known causes are constructive interference and focusing of wave energy.

"Constructive interference. Extreme waves often form because swells, while traveling across the ocean, do so at different speeds and directions. As these swells pass through one another, their crests, troughs, and lengths sometimes coincide and reinforce each other. This process can form unusually large, towering waves that quickly disappear. If the swells are travelling in the same direction, these mountainous waves may last for several minutes before subsiding.

Focusing of wave energy. When waves formed by a storm develop in a water current against the normal wave direction, an interaction can take place which results in a shortening of the wave frequency. This can cause the waves to dynamically join together, forming very big 'rogue' waves. The currents where these are sometimes seen are the Gulf Stream and Agulhas current. Extreme waves developed in this fashion tend to be longer lived."

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/roguewaves.html#:~:text=When%20waves%20formed%20by%20a,very%20big%20'rogue'%20waves.

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Power-User

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 229
Good Answers: 13
#7

Re: Rogue Waves

12/19/2024 1:40 PM

Don't know what causes it, but I've experienced one while sailing on a 44 foot catamaran in the British Virgin Islands.

We were anchored in a harbor, early morning, wind was calm. I was in the head taking care of business, someone else was in the kitchen making breakfast. I heard them yell out, "Holy #%$ *^!!! Hang on!" I didn't see the wave, but others said it was 3-4 feet high and hit us broadside. Everything that was loose was knocked over like an earthquake had hit or something. I wish I could have seen it.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 8 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Deefburger (1); HiTekRedNek (1); Just an Engineer (1); Rixter (3); SolarEagle (1); steve45 (1)

Previous in Forum: Interview: Transforming Motion with Electrostatic Motors   Next in Forum: lead poisoning

Advertisement