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Gas Groups - Hazardous Area Equipment

05/24/2025 12:30 AM

Say if have Ex de motor, what difference the gas group brings, be it IIA or IIB or IIC.

Either gas groups, the explosion is contained within the enclosure, right? Then why specify gas groups IIA, IIB or IIC?

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Re: Gas groups - Hazardous area equipment

05/24/2025 5:19 AM

“the explosion is contained within the enclosure right?”

I dunno, that part doesn’t sound right.

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Re: Gas Groups - Hazardous Area Equipment

05/24/2025 10:58 AM

Burning a flammable gas outside an enclosure makes a campfire. (I am assuming the gas flame doesn't ignite other materials.) Burning a flammable gas inside an enclosure makes a bomb when the enclosure ruptures.

The gas group hazard ratings differentiate between ease of ignition, burning temperature, and potential energy released. This information is easy to find with a search engine. Anyone having to ask a public forum about any safety (hazard) protocols is a clear indication that person is not qualified to work on or in that hazard.

PLEASE STOP BEFORE ANYONE GETS HURT!

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Re: Gas Groups - Hazardous Area Equipment

05/24/2025 4:19 PM

These ratings have to do with the potential volatility of the gases or dust that might be present, and more specifically the potential explosive force of the mixture, ie; the flame front speed and possible quantity potentially present...The electrical equipment used in these areas must be sealed to prevent spark ignition to the environment... with IIA rating being the least explosive, and IIC being the most explosive, the gaskets and fitment become more critical and the maintenance procedures more proactive...

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Re: Gas Groups - Hazardous Area Equipment

05/25/2025 7:34 AM

Many years ago, as a Newby I saw an explosion proof enclosures with dust inside, and it had never been opened. How, I wondered? So I pursued the answer and discovered that EX proof enclosures are not air tight, they instead have a special thread feature that cools any Hot gases from escaping by cooling them before they exit the enclosure.

This prevents the spreading of an explosion originating from an ignition source within the enclosure, such as an arc.

Longer threads and clearances between threads mean more cooling and are adjusted when manufactured as required according to the rating of the installed environment. It is always best to prevent explosive vapors from entering the enclosure or conduits, so sealing of all connections is required with an approved sealing compound. All circuits, including the grounded conductors must be broken when disconnected from power. Even cola bottles have an explosive proof design in their lids. Look at a bottle thread closely and you will see a gap(s). This is to release pressure in a controlled manner if agitated, heated, frozen, etc. (Surprisingly, the internal pressure does not increase when a carbonated drink is shaken).

https://www.iflscience.com/shaking-a-bottle-of-cola-doesnt-increase-its-pressure-so-why-does-it-explode-75920

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05/25/2025 8:09 AM

Yes, thank you for the further clarification....

..."While explosion-proof (Ex-proof) enclosures are designed to prevent explosions, they are not airtight in the traditional sense. They are constructed to withstand internal pressure from an explosion and prevent the ignition of external flammable gases, but they allow for some controlled venting and breathing. This controlled breathing is crucial for maintaining a safe temperature and preventing the buildup of flammable gases.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

  • Designed for Pressure Containment: Ex-proof enclosures are built to withstand the pressure generated during an internal explosion without rupturing or allowing the explosion to escape.
  • Controlled Venting and Breathing: They are not airtight in the sense of preventing all gas ingress or egress. Instead, they are designed to allow for some controlled breathing, which is important for regulating temperature and pressure within the enclosure.
  • Preventing Ignition: Ex-proof enclosures ensure that any escaping flames or heat from an internal explosion are cooled sufficiently before they can ignite the surrounding flammable atmosphere.
  • Flame Paths: Ex-proof enclosures often utilize flame paths, which are precisely machined surfaces that allow for controlled venting of hot gases and flames, preventing them from igniting the external atmosphere.
  • Gasketed Joints: While they are not airtight, they often use gaskets and other sealing methods to minimize the ingress of external gases and moisture.
  • IP Ratings: IP ratings (Ingress Protection) for Ex-proof enclosures are often lower than airtight enclosures, reflecting their controlled breathing and venting design. For example, a common IP rating for Ex-d enclosures is IP54, meaning they are dust-protected and protected against water splashes. "...
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05/25/2025 1:06 PM

In a EX rated Condulet enclosure, with threaded cover, the hot gasses must "Thread" their way around all of the threads before exiting, cooling them to below the ignition temperature of the surrounding environment.

What is a Condulet, you might ask?

Here is your answer:

https://youtu.be/7TT754FJ7EA

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