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02/18/2026 4:29 PM

Imagine a universe that was created in zero time, before time existed. A universe complete, with galaxies, etc. fully formed in their various stages.

To determine size, speed of light is the yardstick.

It is also the basis for all time measurement. The distance from the measuring instrument would give an illusion of time, and vice versa but is skewed by the speed of light itself.

Objects further away would appear to be older than ones closer.

How would a universe like this behave and appear if light had infinite speed?

Just me and Gentleman Jim thinkin'.(I've quit Scotch, kept dreaming about druid priests, now I dream about Dolly Partin).

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02/18/2026 6:07 PM

If light speed were infinite, the black of space would be a dense dark red. Far white light might not be seen. A few dots in a deep red space.

Just a guess.

There is another possibility. If light didn’t take any time, much of what we see might not be there anymore. And not emitting. So space would be much blacker than now, meaning few stars.

Our cosmos might be rarefied and we not know it.

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02/19/2026 11:21 AM

Much of what we do see is not there anymore. The speed of light allows us to see the past, but not the future. A black hole contains all events, present, past and future in the event horizon, which hints at predestination.

Without the speed of light there is no time as we currently describe and know it.

All of our measurements rely on it.

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02/18/2026 7:01 PM

Makes my brain hurt.

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02/19/2026 9:04 AM

"If light had infinite" speed, then the presence of the so called "black hole" in the universe in my perception may also not exist...

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03/16/2026 8:40 AM

There would also be no distance or ability to measure it. An infinitely small or large object would not matter. No space required.

The speed limit of light allows objects to exist in different places and creates the space itself..

It is a necessary limit.

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02/19/2026 9:53 AM

My imagination can, and often makes weird things happen.

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02/19/2026 12:30 PM

Objects further away would appear to be older than ones closer. I think you have this one backward. Due to the travel time of light, the image received would show it at an earlier age (newer) than they actually are. And the age difference would be less for closer images; thus, new images would appear to be newer than they are but not as new as the farther images. I agree with "makes my brain hurt."

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03/16/2026 8:03 AM

"Objects further away would appear to be older than ones closer." refers to the present concept of time and C. I do not explain myself very well sometimes. Note the italic "Appear"

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02/19/2026 2:31 PM

The present concept of light and of mass is what gives us our paradoxes. Light is a duty cycle not a wave. And mass is the inertia of matter, a state of matter…. NOT the amount of matter.

Both electrons and protons have the same amount of matter. One is left handed and one is right handed. The right handed particle has inertia. The electrical and magnetic acceleration is in parallel. They add for inertial momentum. Inertia is an acceleration.

The left handed particle has it’s electrical and magnetic acceleration in anti parallel, canceling the inertia acceleration. What little we measure is just one leg of it.

Inertia can be added to an electron. For instance, a free conductor election has inertia, but if allowed, it will shed it and relax to it’s non inertial state. This is why an electron is so easy to accelerate. It has little inertia.

If protons were used for current, all electrical laws would change and much heat would be generated.

And both have the same amount of matter. But in opposite mass states.

We can invert those states……. And get anti matter. It too, has the same amount of matter.

Anti matter should not be a mystery in any form or fashion. Nothing is missing. It happens in every thunderstorm.

99.99% of all energy(motion) is locked withing the proton. But 99.99% of all energy is transferred by the electron…… because the electron doesn’t like it. And will poop it at every chance.

Only one thing can stop particles from interaction and transferring energy…. And that is velocity.

And with all the eons of solar winds, most matter might be in that state. Not enough time to line up and interact. Never to interact again. And nothing to slow them down. They accelerate away from gravity.

This is just a personal opinion about our present state of science.

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02/20/2026 2:47 AM

Hmmn I would have found Druid Priests and Stonehenge more interesting than Dolly Parton and her two molehills !

So as you find Scotch makes you dream of Druids and Bourbon makes you dream of Dolly I wonder what dreams Vodka, Barcardi, Navy Rum etc. would lead to ?

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03/16/2026 7:46 AM

Tennessee Whisky is not Bourbon.

I will have to go to Kentucky to get the real stuff, (bootleg) and try it out but probably Loretta Lynn.

Vodka would have to be Berlin Sax(the entire group.

Rum would have to be Alexandra Alfaro.

Navy rum would be Caroline Munro and Lamb's Navy Rum.

Pleasant dreams all around.

My philosophy: "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, that have to have a frontal lobotomy:)(Dr Demento)

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02/20/2026 4:23 AM

The first thought that comes to my mind, is that if light has infinite speed, then we would see all the universe at the same time! We would be able to see beyond the current observable Universe, maybe at infinite distance. This means that the luminosity of the sky would be as much as that of Sun's!

It is a fact that the luminosity of every object (including stars of course) remains constant no matter its distance from the observer. This happens because both the intensity and the apparent area of the object get reduced by the square of the distance. Therefore, although stars seem smaller the more distant they are, every "pixel" of them is as bright as if they were next door. Now, if we were able to see all the universe, then most probably, all sky's tiny "pixels" would be filled with at least a star. The total effect, would be a sky full of light, as intense as if we had a star right next to Earth covering the whole sky.

The only way to survive such a hypothetical scenario (in fact, the only way to make the emergence of life possible), is to have a rather small Universe. I don't think this is the case, though. The Universe is either infinite or - as Douglas Adams described it - it is vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big.

As for the passage of time, I cannot see why the speed of light would change the perception of time. Most phenomena, either in the quantum microcosm, or in the celestial macrocosm, happen without needing light to cause them. It is only the speed of causality that will change, but for our very day perception, we still think that the lamp turns on simultaneously with us pressing the switch.

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03/16/2026 8:26 AM

We all live within our own universe defined by our ability to detect and measure our inputs. We are limited in what we can receive, light of limited frequencies, sound of certain frequencies etc. We have machines that can present "invisible objects to us, but they still are converted to within our limits. We really do not know how they really look.

Some women have a 4th color receptor in their eyes, allowing them to see hundreds of colors that are not visible to anyone else. So far, only women have been found with this feature. Same for some with hearing. Their universe is different than ours. Likewise a blind or deaf person.

We are deaf and blind in certain areas and we will never know the extent of our limits because it is beyond our perceptional ability. We cannot even imagine it.

When we die, our universe collapses, but only ours.

Like foam on a beach, everyone lives within their own bubble.

Does the universe behind us disappear when we are not looking? How would you prove it either way?

Everything I have ever done or seen is within my bubble, including this conversation.

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