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Apophis Capture in 2029?

12/30/2007 11:00 AM

From initial calculations:

The instantaneous velocity of Apophis at 1 A.U. is about 28.50213 km/sec.

The algorithm used to calculate that value is shown below. It is based on two separate equations for Specific Orbital Energy. I ran it against some known values and I think it works. There are rem statements showing the equations on which it is based as well as the value for the heliocentric gravitational parameter that was used.

I used the orbital data on Apophis found at the below link as input data.

http://newton.dm.unipi.it/cgi-bin/neodys/neoibo?objects:Apophis;main

I used earth mean velocity to calculate the relative velocity of Apophis assuming that the inclination of Apophis Orbit (3.331 degrees) was small enough to ignore for rough estimation.

The Earth/Apophis relative velocity is roughly calculated to be 1.28256 Km/sec and was calculated as Earth Mean Velocity – Apophis Velocity at 1 A.U. This relative velocity is so low because the semi-major axis of Apophis is so close to that of earth, it orbits on nearly the same plane, and assuming the heliocentric flight path angle is small enough to ignore for roughly estimating relative velocity. I used .922281 A.U. as the value of Apophis semi-major axis.

I calculated the minimum passing radius without capture to be roughly 490593.3 km from barycenter.

This was calculated from the equation V=√ 2u/r where r= 2u/v2. I used the sum of the gravitational parameters of earth and moon for the gravitational parameter of the earth/moon system for the calculation.

It appears that orbital capture will occur if the passing radius is less than 490593.3 km from barycenter. Intuition tells me that if the radius of passing is less than this and if the geocentric flight path angle at that range lies outside minimum parameters; then rebound or delayed impact will occur subsequent to capture; with either the moon or earth taking the hit.

If this is the case then I think we should pay Apophis a visit as soon as possible, hopefully unifying or efforts with other nations. We all have a stake in this and 5 or more cowboys trying to rope the same calf could well make matters worse. I don't think the long term bond markets should be our overriding concern here. The effects on those markets will be mitigated if there is seen to be a dedicated effort in the approach.

It appears that this object is not a planet killer but impact, if it were to occur, would probably be the most energetic event in recorded human history.

I want to trust the experts enough to believe that there must be something fundamentally wrong with my assumptions. I am ready to continue to learn.

MJ

10 PRINT"This program solves for instantaneous V of an elliptical heliocentric orbit"

20 PRINT"where the semi-major axis and instantaneous r is known"

40 PRINT"by - Mark J. Carter"

50 PRINT:PRINT

60 PRINT"Input the semi-major axis."

70 INPUT A

80 U=132712440018#:REM Gravitational Parameter - Sun

90 E=U/(2*A):REM Specific Orbital Energy

100 PRINT"Input the instantanious orbital radius."

110 INPUT R

120 NUM1=(2*(E-(U/R)))

121 NUM2=ABS(NUM1): Rem convert a negative number so the square root of V can be found.

125 V=SQR(NUM2)

130 PRINT:PRINT:PRINT

140 PRINT V

150 STOP

If anyone would like a copy of the BASIC interpreter send me a private message with your email addresss.

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Re: Apophis Capture in 2029?

12/30/2007 11:38 PM

Using figures from a paper titled "Predicting the Earth Encounters of 99942 Apophis" published in the journal "Icarus."

"Nominal Encounter Distance = .000254 A.U." = 37997.86 km with a "Relative Velocity 7.422 km/sec"

Then self calculating escape speed at this encounter distance I get 4.5804 km/sec using the gravitational parameter of Earth and 4.608494 km/sec using the gravitational parameter of the Earth/Moon system.

This leaves an Excess Hyperbolic Speed of 2.8 km/sec in the first case and 2.813506 km/sec using the Earth + Moon Gravitational Parameter sum.

The encounter distance was used for both Earth and Barycenter calculations.

The capture radius calculates to be an encounter distance less than 14471.91 km using the gravitational parameter of Earth and less than 14649.92 km using the gravitational parameter sum of Earth+Moon.

I will defer to the experts. It's a lame steer.

Gavilan

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Re: Apophis Capture in 2029?

12/31/2007 3:23 PM

So do we worry about an enegetic event as never before seen by humankind, or give it a miss?

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12/31/2007 10:48 PM

The experts are presenting data that indicate a miss.

The referred to paper does state that it is possible that all factors may not have been considered; but these folks represent the organizations that have been able to calculate position and dynamic effects that have allowed probes to travel the entire solar system. They must be pretty darn good at what they do. They will have a chance to do some re-figuring along the way and I am sure they will be quickly forthcoming with any major changes. Of course, it doesn't require much of a change to swing the approach in either direction. A 22 year extrapolation is a long way out. It would not be overly cautious to consider the "Pioneer Anomaly" as representative of the errors that can occur even when using the best modeling software available.

Again, I'm deferring to the guys who wrote that paper based on the past success of their organizations much more so than any understanding I may have in what was presented. I am not aware of any precedence of success in extrapolating positions that far into the future for other than the most orbital energetic objects in the solar system. In the modeling presented I don't see any reference to Electro-dynamic Lentz Braking in their modeling; something that I believe will, once the Pioneer Anomaly has been fully considered, present the possibility of non-negligible position errors in current modeling methods extrapolated decades out.

An interesting calculation would be the total intersect timing error that would be required to change Apophis's orbital position by lets say, 50,000 km extrapolated out 22 years. Given the extended range of the calculation, an accumulative error this size would not require much of an error in either software algorithm constants or misunderstood dynamic effects even if gravitational perturbation effects were exactly known, which according to the paper, they are not. Both the software issue and possibility of unrecognized dynamic effects were mentioned as possible error sources.

There is considerable precedence in calculation errors made in the most competent of organizational endeavours; but these guys are probably the best bet we have in getting it right. Lets give them the tools and funding needed to do what needs to be done and in doing so expect the highest level of scientific integrity and political distance in return.

As to your reference - "an energetic event as never before seen by humankind".

Would it be possible that the most energetic events recorded in human history may never have exceeded more than a 500 megaton equivalent? Is it also possible that when dealing with the kinds of kinetic energies represented by potentially hazardous asteroids, 500 megaton isn't all that great?

I am confident that these events have not only initiated paradigm shifts of evolutionary process in the extreme, but have influenced earths short term climate in more incidentally common events involving smaller objects.

Gavilan

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01/02/2008 7:23 AM

Possibly good news, then, although I recall not too long back where a Mars probe went missing because of a calculation that used Newton/meters instead of foot/pounds, or some such silliness as that. And that far (in both time and space) out, what other small changes could occur that we can't hope to know about - like smaller rocks colliding with our big rock with enough total energy accumulating to throw that 50,000 miles into a (our) cocked hat! And as to:

"...these events have not only initiated paradigm shifts of evolutionary process in the extreme, but have influenced earths short term climate..."

I'm convinced of the same. What people seem to forget is that but for the effects of vulcanism, our active atmosphere, climatic influences, and the tweaks induced by biology, the surface the Earth would likely resemble the surface of our moon. Craters like those would mean imparted energy sufficient to change EVERYONE'S day...

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Re: Apophis Capture in 2029?

12/31/2007 10:31 PM

To bad we couldn't capture Apophis, move it into L4 and dissect it.

Seems a lot easier than going to the asteroid belt and going from there.

At worst in L4 it would be a radiation shield for people and equipment.

Just a thought

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