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Pipe Bursting With HDPE Pipe

01/03/2008 4:03 AM

What are the possible reasons for the cracking / shearing of the HDPE pipe in following situation?

Situation: PIPE 600mm HDPE with 40mm thickness.

:60m Pipe pulled by pipe bursting method with manholes at each end & a
manhole at center i.e. at 30m.

:When top part HDPE pipe ( θ ) was cut in manhole at middle , pipe has been
developed a crack along the circumference like laser cutting cut.

: Since HDPE has 600% elongation what are the various possible
reasons for this failure?

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Re: Pipe Bursting With HDPE Pipe

01/03/2008 6:05 PM

Maybe a chemical compatibility issue..you don't say what the pipe contains...

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01/03/2008 6:38 PM

Heat from the cutting of the pipe in the center may have altered the properties of the HDPE. The 600% elongation factor was only good until you cut the hole in it. The center manhole was fitted with some type of fitting to close it off during operation. The chemicals used to adhere the fitting may have cause property change.

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Re: Pipe Bursting With HDPE Pipe

01/04/2008 9:07 AM

Hello, we have allot of underground HDPE pipe in our paper mill. One of the main reasons I see it crack is if you hold it down rigid on both ends when it tries to expand from heat(sunlight, etc) it can crack. I was amazed to see how much that pipe moves from expansion and contraction from the sun heating the ground in a normal weather day. These cracks seem to be linear in nature usually. I have not used the pipe bursting method myself but a few years back did check into it. there is allot of force applied to the pipe in that system could you just be weakening it when it pulls? Or could the pipe be hanging on a branch line from the original pipe? Just some ideas I though about.

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Re: Pipe Bursting With HDPE Pipe

01/04/2008 1:32 PM

You did not mention how much time was allowed for the HDPE pipe to relax after it was installed and before the hole was cut. The HDPE pipe will stretch after being pulled. Because of friction with the soil it takes some time for it to relax. Therefore, the pipe will remain in tension for a period of time. Once you cut a hole in the top of the pipe at the middle you reduced the gross area the tension is spread over. Therefore, the tension stress in the remaining portion of the pipe section increases. Plus you create stress concentrations near the cut.

It sounds like the cut was sufficient to cause the pipe to fail in a tension mode. Thus, the circumferential crack.

I do not know the purpose of the pipe, but since you mentioned it was cut, that implies to me that you are trying to allow for additional flow into the pipe at this location. Either a sanitary inflow or a storm water inflow? Is it possible to trim the the pipe inside the middle manhole and reconstruct the manhole invert?

Good luck in resolving this.

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Re: Pipe Bursting With HDPE Pipe

02/11/2008 10:01 AM

I believe you would find with a quick web search that plastic pipes in general have had some history of problems at tapped or hole cut areas, and maybe particularly these problems could be argued most pronounced in areas of pipes that have been incidentally or purposefully bent or pulled? A hole cut in a pipe of course reduces the strength area, and the level of stress can get quite high due to perhaps non-obvious and not advertised "stress concentration factors". I think the level of stress can be analyzed with conventional strength of materials references, at least if you have some idea of actual applied loads, and I wouldn't be surprised that in this case you might come up with stress levels that would be at least uncomfortable to hdpe pipes. A quick search of the literature would also reveal that plastic pipes can be for various reasons be subject to, perhaps some non-obvious nor highly advertised, brittle behaviors, and again I suspect (regardless of elongation claims) a high level of local stress would not be helpful in this regard as well.

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