Differential Frequency Sono Hydrogen Generation

Sounds really cool Tomquest. Can you tell us some more?

Is it the hydrogen dioxide bond that you are breaking?

How much additional energy, beyond the bond energy, must be input?

Does your process use constructive interference?

Can energy be more easily transfered in a sonochemical process as the material density increases?

Does the density of the material determine the high limits of sonic vibration?

I can imagine a significant reduction in thermal losses, compared to standard electrolysis, if the bond is broken by electro-magnetic inductive resonance but I didn't think it would be possible to generate a high enough frequency to do it with a pressure wave. Perhaps you are using harmonics?

Please tell us as much as possible.

Thanks

Gavilan

Gavilan,

Good questions,

Is it the hydrogen dioxide bond that you are breaking?

Yes, a mechanical expansion force is created by the opposition of the acoustic transducers.

How much additional energy, beyond the bond energy, must be input?

This is yet to be determined, I have not seen actual figures on the amount of force required to break the bond energy of the water molecule. I have produced cavitation bubbles with a single transducer with less than 50 watts of power input at the resonance of the water.

Does your process use constructive interference?

The phase angle is adjustable. so can be destructive depending on yield.

Can energy be more easily transfered in a sonochemical process as the material density increases?

The non-compressibility factor of water should enhance the outcome.

Does the density of the material determine the high limits of sonic vibration?

The density determines the resonant frequency.

I can imagine a significant reduction in thermal losses, compared to standard electrolysis, if the bond is broken by electro-magnetic inductive resonance but I didn't think it would be possible to generate a high enough frequency to do it with a pressure wave. Perhaps you are using harmonics?

Primary, secondary and tertiary frequencies.

At this juncture I have done rudimentary experimentation with single transducers that I have patented and manufactured. The transducers employ a moving coil and rare earth magnet structure with Ferrofluidic cooling. Tests at a major university have demonstrated frequency output from near DC to 100kHz in water.

I'm torn between developing this on my own or partnering with established entities for protection, I believe some conspiracy stories are true.

Looking forward,

Tomqwest

The hydrogen dioxide bond is primarily an electro-static endo-thermic bond. This means that mechanical energy is relatively little use in hydrogen lysis. Acoustic methods can be of some benefit when combined with electrolysis where the apparent mechanism of action involves the vaporization of some OH- ions which may come out of solution. A small amount of these ions will catalyze combustion of H2 and O2 molecules which is the apparent origin of all the Brown's gas BS you are probably aware of.

Since the dioxide bond is primarily electrical and thermal catalyzing the hydro-lysis with colloidal suspensions has been very productive for some researchers. Do some research in the patent literature and you will certainly find some good information. Acoustic methods and catalysis combined might be very fruitful since the colloidal catalysts apparently work by electro mechanically stressing the hydrogen bond angle acting like the fulcrum of a lever in the lysis action.

Best wishes,

Mr. Gee

Thanks Mr Gee,

I have entertained using a piezoelectric element in conjunction with the displacement of the transducers.

When you talk about colloidal catalysts, would this include a magnesium suspension?

Looking Forward,

Tomqwest

I thought I'd read something along these lines, but could not find it with a quick search. There's this, though:

http://www.rsc.org/ej/P2/1997/a701004d.pdf