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Order From Chaos

04/04/2006 5:47 PM

I've always been fascinated by Nonlinear physics and chaotic systems. The fact that they can be measured and categorized and show up in interesting places like the brain and Universe structure is intriguing. I came across this interesting article where some scientists found that applying chaotic forces to pendulums connected by springs (a classic nonlinear system), resulted in ordered motion, an unexpected result.

So, going off on a tangent,this reminded me of a conversation I had a while ago regarding quantum computers. I was interested that quantum computers would be better at certain types of problems than traditional computers. This made me wonder if other types of computers were possible that would be better able to handle specific types of problems. The only other type I could think of was maybe a chaotic computer, where instead of bits, chaotic systems interacted in order to calculate. I know there are circuits that behave chaotically, and I'm sure electrical or optical devices could be made with these properties. If possible, I would think chaotic computers would lend itself to calculations regarding large scale networks, like the brain.

So is it possible?, and how would it be built? I'd be interested to hear if anyone has heard of work on this or think it's possible (or useful).

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chaos

04/04/2006 6:33 PM

Hi Roger, There is another "brain-simulator" called AI. Artificial Intelligence. Some very nice programming has been done to simulate the brain. Using as little as 256 "neuron" nodes, this kind'o simulator can be trained to recognize all kinds of waveforms. It's very effective at learning and remembering. (actually better than you and me). best regards Jens

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chaos computer

04/04/2006 11:58 PM

If what you put in is chaotic, and or it is then subject to chaotic processing, how would you know if it did anything? Reminds me of trying to reason with my bi-polar girlfriend.

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chaotic computer

04/05/2006 4:26 AM

I think you've hit the nail on the head. the chaotic computer is with us and has been for a long time. We live with them, We love them, we even marry them but the way the work things out just baffles us. Women we love you!!!!!!

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Order from chaos

04/05/2006 10:43 AM

When you have individual heart cells in a cultive dish they will beat at random but when you bring them all in the same dish { in contact} they begin beating at the same rate. This may be an example of a chaotic system behaiving orderly.

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Re:Order from chaos

04/05/2006 5:45 PM

Of course, chaos, or nonlinear systems, can be described with fractals. One example is how the brain operates while awake and asleep. It has been shown that the brain is more ordered when asleep. These heart cells beat randomly, but somehow when the random beating interacts, order is created. This isn't trivial and it might be the sort of thing a chaotic computer could model or predict.

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Re:Order from chaos

04/07/2006 12:12 PM

Indeed it is not trivial... shoal of fishes behave like one big individual fish even it is formed by several hundreds or thousands of little fishes.... the same happens with flocks of birds composed by many thousands of them, flying ramdonly and absolutely ordered. I could imagine a herd of small robots or rovers, in batle fields or in Mars or in the Moon or inside a living person, performing any unique and specific task and then switching to perform or behave like a herd or an army with another completely different mission.... On the other hand, ramdon and nonlinearity systems interaction laws may explain why life arise from many and different processes.... something very chaotic coming to an orderly and complex state or individual {living being}.....

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Large Complex Computer

04/10/2006 8:00 AM

There's a theory that the Earth is a big computer designed to give the question to a particular answer...

More seriously, why wouldn't a chaos computer look like an anthill, or bee hive, or city, or planet? It would depend on the question; we already use the anthill senario to model all sorts of things relating to population density or analagous problems.

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