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honing

01/11/2008 8:37 PM

hello my name is jimmy and i recently started working at a honing and lapping company it's on the job training which is good considering i've never had a machine shop job in my life,i've been looking for any and all litrature hopefully free,on honing
so that i may learn as much about honing as i possible can,if you have or if you could direct me to someone who can give this information i'ld appreciate,thank you and god bless you!

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01/12/2008 12:36 AM

Hi Jimmy. It depends on what type of machinery you're honing. If it's a cylinder, there are cylinder hones designed specifically for your application. All hones come in varying degrees of grit, from rough to fine finish. If it's a splitline of a large machine, say a turbine or compressor in a plant, it's usually done with just a stone/hone by hand. You don't want to use a pneumatic or electric drill or driver for this type of application, because it's impossible to do it without making divets (though not detectable by eye) in the spanse of metal. These are precision surfaces, thus needing a hone, and should be done by hand. My suggestion is to start with a cracking stone, get shiny new metal with that, then progress to the rough side of a hand hone, then the fine side. Large expanses of metal such as plate, will require a precision finishing table if you absolutely have to have a completely (near) flat surface when finished. Hubs are another story. For some applications, strapping is acceptable. This means you wrap fine grit emery cloth around the shaft hub, twice,though not on top of each other, and pull each end alternately, until you reach a fine finish. If it is a tapered hub, say like for a centrifugal compressor, (Elliott, for example), they should have a lapping tool specifically for that machine. You will apply a compound, such as Clover, of a certain grit, and grab the handles, and rotate left to right, or round and round, for a few minutes. Take a contact check with bluing compound, and you'll know what percentage contact you have. Clean the hub and lapping tool, and continue to repeat until you have an acceptable amount of contact.

I don't know exactly what you are looking to do, but this is what I can figure you'd be encountering in a machine shop. Honing is simply the process of getting the finest finish on metal in order to reap proper performance, sealing capabilities, fit within a machine and its parts. A strong arm, and plenty of patience are all that's needed. Hope you prosper!

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01/12/2008 7:49 PM

Hi Igotmine,

You gave a lot of information in your post with very little to go on. Thanks for the info! I like your post and will give you a positive rating after writing this.

I especially like your signature!

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01/13/2008 4:16 AM

I try.

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01/13/2008 5:27 PM

thank you for so much information,you've gave me different things and ideas to work with!

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01/12/2008 11:40 PM

Look on these sites, you may have to look at 200 or more of them before you find something that fits what you are doing. Then look for operating manuals for the type of honing machines you will be using. Your company may also have manuals to read.

So by jumping around and reading you can expand your knowledge along with the on the job training.

Make sure you read and understand things before you do anything different to what they have instructed you to do. Difference in shop procedure might mean your shop does it another way to what some online source says.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=honing+%2B%22machine+shop%22&btnG=Google+Search

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01/13/2008 5:29 PM

thats very good idea thank you!

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01/13/2008 7:24 AM

Hey Jimmy

I can't answer you 'cause I know nothing about the subject. What I do appreciate is your approach. Whatever you do, strive to be the best, to be number one!

Good luck in your new job, and happy new year.

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01/13/2008 11:04 AM

You beat me to it! I was going to say essentially the same thing. Good approach, jimmy!

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01/13/2008 5:26 PM

thanks for the incouragement god bless you and your family!

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01/13/2008 8:44 AM

Jimmy, welcome aboard. It is so refreshing to have guys and/or gals like you try and pick our brains for answers. I pray, that as my career winds down, I can find inquisitive replacements like you. I am not offering much info in this post, but I have to say that it looks like you will be one of the "Future Stars". Keep asking, post answers or comments (they will be valued) and put up with all of the crankiness you see at times. Again, welcome aboard, a lot of great minds use this forum.

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01/13/2008 5:32 PM

thank you so very much for your words of encouragement!

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01/13/2008 12:32 PM

"I've never had a machine shop job in my life"

Machining is a broad, ever-changing and competitive field.

You can spend several thousand hours on Google but if you plan to make a career in machining OR manufacturing I recommend you review every page of the following:

  • The latest copy of Machinery's Handbook (machinist bible)
  • MSC industrial Supply catalog (big blue book)
  • Subscribe to Modern Machine shop (MMS)
  • Subscribe to American Machinist
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01/13/2008 4:45 PM

Hello Jimmy and welcome to the forum as well. I work on very large scale honing machines and grinders as part of my daily routine. These machines make it fairly simple for one to achieve mirror finishes on the materials being worked. Most these machines have rather long quill arms with reaches up to 6' down a cylinder bore.

Best information I could possibly offer you, is to study your math skills. Learn how to use your micrometers and indicators properly. Pay close attention to your drawings and always take three measurements as you are grinding away materials. It doesn't take much to remove TOO much material. Most of all, never get into any kind of a hurry doing your jobs. Perfact machine work is TIME consuming and requires patience.

Good luck and stick tight to the new profession, a good machinist is hard to come by.

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01/13/2008 5:44 PM

wow and thanks a million this info i can discuss with my boss and i'm sure that he would have some kind of input to go with it,if you can stay in touch with me and send what ever else you might deem helpful for this up and coming honer/lapper i'ld appreciate it, your new found friend,jimmy,thank you and god bless you and you family!

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01/13/2008 11:03 PM

Just a little background to help with your research. America's path through the industrial revolution has produced grinding based workshops. British workshops are 'tool' based using cutting processes. Europeans tend to machine by cutting as well. What this means is that the largest amount of literature on grinding is found in America. stone and grit technology tends to be in the hands of american companies as well; 3m for example invented sand and emery paper/cloth.

look amongst automotive machanic textbooks, HAYNES publishes a good book called modern engine tuning by A. Graham Bell which gives very good detail on machinery processes for engines.

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01/14/2008 1:19 PM

Hello-

I did a fair amount of small bore honing when I was working the shop. Sunnen hones were what I ran. They have a good website: http://www.sunnen.com/index.jsp

What I remember for tips are these: (once again, small bore honing)

1. Check diameter often (air gage is best)

2. Dress the stone/mandrel on a regular basis (usually determined by experience)

3. Reverse the work (end for end) often.

Defects to look out for (and you do need an air gage to see them)

1. Bell mouthing

2. Barrel shape (larger ID towards the center of the bore)

3. Lack of cross-hatching (while not a defect per se, it indicates a lack of proper stroke technique and will lead to a defect)

The cross hatching pattern should be at an angle of from 45 to 60 degrees.

Honing is a process that in my mind is midway between internal grinding and lapping.

Good luck,

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Re: honing

01/15/2008 1:42 PM

HI JIMMY,WHAT SORT OF HONING YOU ARE LOOKING FOR?WHAT MATERIAL,COMPONENT,LENGTH AND DIA.

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01/15/2008 9:29 PM

i really do'nt know what it's called or which one let me know about all of them if you can i would really appreciate it thank you and god bless you!

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01/16/2008 2:17 AM

hi jimmy, honing is the process of finishing operations-you can achive fine finish than grinding operation. in honing-hatch angle-cross hatch pattern are usefull for lub.oil circulation,retention and lubricating the bore(i,e,honed surface)specifically in automobile cylinder liners . the most simple way of doing honing is fix hone head(hone head is one which shall expand for honing and shall have provision for fixing honing sticks-various honing sticks for various materials) to simple drilling machine-put at slow rpm, allow the head to enter in to bore(bore should be clamped v.firmly),now start plunging up and down the drill spindle-now your bore is honed. the finish and the hatch angle depends on the type of sticks,rpmvs reciprocation speed.

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01/15/2008 9:48 PM

honing is very big area, types and sticks are to be used depends machine & job to honed & finsh required. you can contact srijdpl@eth.net for full details.

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