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Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

01/15/2008 1:18 AM

In general; when joinning Grade P91 with SS316, we will need to "butter'' the 91 grade steel with two~three layers of overlapped beads of weld metal; allow to cool slowly, and give a PWHT to soften the HAZ that you have created [WPS; preheat of 200°C for welding, and a subsequent post-weld heat treatment (PWHT). The PWHT temperature depends on the application, but is commonly of the order of 760°C for pipe and 680°C for a heavy section fabrications such as turbine shafts. The duration is usually one hour per 25mm of (maximum) section thickness]. The buttering can use a Ni-base weld metal, {e.g. Inconel 625 type}. and later use the same consumable to join to the SS316 L stainless steel. TCare should be taken when depositing weld metal on the 91 grade side to avoid penetrate deeply into the buttering layers.

However, would the following be possible:

1. Using modified 9Cr-1M0 modified consumable (in accordance to our existing procedure of joining P91 material; i.e. preheat and interpass temperature control of 200°C for welding, control weld cooling down when completed welding and a subsequent post-weld heat treatment (PWHT). The PWHT temperature is heating up at 100°C/Hr after 350°C to 740°C (±20°C) for pipe for minimum of 2-Hrs and for heavy section, additional duration is apply usually one hour per 25mm of (maximum) section thickness. Cooling down with 150°C/Hr until 350°C and leave for air cooling) to "butter'' bevel on the 91 grade steel with two ~ three (note: to avoid penetration of subsequent welding layer using other consumable) layers of overlapped beads of weld metal; allow to cool slowly, and give a PWHT to soften the HAZ ,

2. Using E309L consumable to join the beveled and machined P91 to the SS304 (pipe / valve material) without preheating and PWHT to avoid sensitizing but with control interpass temperature <200°C).

3. Take care when depositing weld metal on the 91 grade side that you do not penetrate deeply into the buttering layers.

4. NDT (RT & PT) and hardness test (<250HB) as require.

Any expert expereince on carrying out this P91 & SS316 / 304 and comments from the Forum are welcome. Thank you.

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

01/15/2008 12:15 PM

substituting E309L and no PWHT is not a good move. You need an expert in this particular weld procedure/metallurgy to provide a more detailed analysis. Secure (pay)a specialist consultant for this analysis.

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

01/16/2008 5:44 AM

If I have understand well your proposed change in the procedure: Are you trying to "butter" the P91 with a similar 9Cr-1Mo consumable, then heat treating, machine bevels and weld directly the P91 weld deposited butter to SS with E309 L?

If you do that you will create a new HAZ in the weld deposited P91 that have no post weld heat treatment and in my experience not allowed by pressure vessel codes (ASME VIII, B31.1, etc)

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

01/22/2008 8:16 PM

Dear Gentlemen,

Thank you for the advice.

in term of nickel base consumable recommended by most of the people and manufacturer i.e. AWS A5.11 ENiCrFe-3 / 2 / 1 or ENiCrMo-3, can we use E66 (ENiFe) or ENi consumable whihc is available in the stock?

Thx.

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

01/23/2008 4:05 AM

Hi,

If you are talking for welding P91 to SS, the designations you ask for are not well defined, I will try to explain:

According to AWS designation, "E" means covered electrodes for SMAW. There are no exact ENiFe nor ENi designations.

In A5.11 exists an electrode, ENi-1 which could be used unless its intended main application is different. No EniFe type designations exists in A5.11.

In A5.15, there are four designations which are similar to those you mention:

  • ENi-CI
  • ENi-CI-A
  • ENiFe-CI
  • ENiFe-CI-A

All of them are intended for welding cast iron and all have a nominal carbon content of 2% which is obviously too high for P91 and must in no case be welded to 300 series SS because in the dilution zone, the chromium content of SS will be completely depleted in the form of chromium carbides and therefore, the steel in this zone will lost its "stainless" condition.

Look to the exact designation of electrodes you have in stock, please, and act accordingly.

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

07/23/2009 1:21 PM

Ref welding P91. Butter passes are not required. To check out the best method to weld P91 visit www.weldreality.com and click on TIP TIG. This process is used by Siemans in Europe and its been used for the root and fill passes with no issues and passed all NDT, mechanical, and micro requirements. Pictures and video and data available at the TIP TIG section. For more info call Ed Craig at 828 658 3574

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

04/09/2008 11:39 AM

Buttering with the 9Cr - 1Mo - V filler metal defeats the purpose of buttering. You can not do it this way without a PWHT of the final weld - which you are tryin to avoid.

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

06/16/2008 5:28 AM

guidelines for welding dissimilar metals

http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/2005/LINK/182.pdf

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

03/14/2010 11:41 AM

NOTE: ENiCrMo-3 ("625") should NOT be used because it may embrittle at the

PWHT temperatures required for CSEF's.

Ref.

Guideline for Welding Creep Strength-Enhanced Ferritic Alloys, by ERPI

Eng. Mahmoud Allam

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Re: Welding Of P91 to SS316 / SS304 Material

04/04/2010 11:10 AM

Buttering on SS with nickel base filler is ok but not Inconel 625.This Inconel 625 should not be used because it will embrittle at the PWHT temp required for most CSEF"S

Only Inconel 600., 82, 182 ( NiCr3, NiCrFe2,3)

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