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Problems with Voice Systems

01/21/2008 12:28 AM

I have installed a voice based system in shopfloor.The trigger to the PCB is given by the timer NO.The logic of the circuit is correct because I have tested it in office for about 500 times and it did not fail once. But when it was installed on the shopfloor it was not reliable in working. There is also a pneumatic system along with this which works perfectly fine eventhough the voice doesn't come.What might be reasons for the failure in voice system?

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Re: problems with voice systems

01/21/2008 1:47 AM

Could explain in a little more detail? Do you mean that you have a voice command system for your factory?

Or do you mean that you have a voice generator that says something like "Warning! Machine Guard Disabled!"?

I can interpret what you said in several different ways and be right only once. Give us some more information and maybe we can help you.

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01/29/2008 3:03 AM

Thanks a lot for the discussion, but I guess the discussions are going a bit offtrack. Just a bit of brief info.

This system is a voice based fool proffing system wherein two push buttons are provided to the operator on his workstation.When he presses the first push button there is a control circuit which has a pre-recorded voice in OTP (One time programmable) chip in the PCB with adequate noise filtering capacitors.After he hears the voice he presses the second push button which releases a stopper which is pnematically connected so that the operator can pass on the product to the next station.

Here sometimes the voice from system doesn't come.The probability is 0.7 Ok.What might be the probable reasons?

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01/29/2008 6:06 AM

Well now, see how a good description can make things a little more clearer!

You can still do better, however. I don't know how your circuits are connected (you didn't provide that bit of info).

Does the 1st button trigger something else other than the voice generator? If the other thing is triggered but not the voice gen, then there might be something wrong with the connections. It can be a pain to search for, speaking from experience.

If the button only triggers the voice gen, is the signal reaching the voice gen's input? You mentioned in your original post that you've tested it and it works fine on the bench but not in the shop floor. If the connection is there, it might be that you have a loose (read, intermittent) connection. This can be very frustrating to search for. Much easier to find a complete disconnection than an intermittent one.

Another possibility is that your signal cable is too small. Small wires have more resistance and can drop the input voltage if the cable is too long. In that case, use a thicker cable.

If you're using 5 volts to send the signal to the board that is 200ft or more away, you're voltage might be too small. You can use 12volts or 24volts for the trigger and just reduce it at the board's input.

Next time, give us some more information at the beginning so that we can give proper answers. Your original post was too short and lacking in detail. Your second post was better but still lacking.

Come back and tell us how things went.

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01/29/2008 7:46 AM

Yes, one short word after >>come<< (out) would make world of difference in problem description.... I agree with Your analyse, it could be badly soldered wire or slanted edge conector, or broken wire in a cable....

Next question is: how stabilized is power supply, as if some strong motor is supposed to start working at same time, it could pull more power than normaly is used, and in factory there are usually several machines feeding on same power supply, so such drops in voltage is frequent.... Some strong motors could be sending high voltage peaks trough grid, as we learned at great cost of over 2 milion $ of fryed electronic devices, on institute where I was working, because one wing was under construction and building company connected their crane to local power grid! But there is Timer mentioned also, so perhaps >>voice<< is intended to come out with delay? If this timer is program controled, it could happen that sometimes program miss timer signal, so it is more reliable (imho) to use cascade of capacitors to make delay, without need for program control, if it is not also geting some signal that work initiated by pushbutton is precluded or aborted for some reason.......

Problem with other people describing their problem to others is that THEY have all details of problem in their heads, so trying to make question short, clear and uncluttered, they skip important details or just simple words......

Anybody stating their problem should first explain what they want to accomplish, then how did they set thing up and environment where it is supposed to be installed, and last what the problem is and what they have allready have done about problem, that did not yet give results to solve problem.........

Then, people wanting to help with problem would not beat around the bush and waste their valuable time on theories and suppositions that may be entirely wrong :-(

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01/22/2008 2:45 AM

Background noise, of course! If You did not filter frequencies so only those in range of human voice remain, of course it would not work..... Next possible factor is posibly voice differences, so system should be trainable for user voice, just like any other speech recognition system, and adaptive filters for background noise would also be great help.

I bought >>Dragonvoice<< speech recognition software, and could not use it because my computer ventilators vere producing too much noises. So I have to close computers in sealed closet with ventilation system by passive ventilation (chimney type), and even this did not help untill I have sound isolated it and put pasive cooling in computer box too!

After so much trouble, program still did not recognize correctly more than 80% of spoken words, in spite of repeated training sesions......

Also, You should check for presence of magnetic fields on shop floor, as it also can harshly interfere with work of microphone, if it is not shielded againest it......

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01/22/2008 8:02 AM

Sounds like you were using Dragon without a handheld mike. Using a handheld, the latest versions have excellent recognition.

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01/22/2008 8:32 AM

I have the collar microphone, so realy I did not use handheld one, but I tought it is best way.... I have rather old version now, but have no money to buy new, moreover, I did not even think of it after this fiasco........

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01/22/2008 6:20 PM

Hendrik14 makes some very good points.

I would start looking at the microphone and immediate-related, as you likely tested it in a lab environment. If the mic. or associated circuitry (amplifier?) has an AGC (aka AVC) (automatic gain control) and given that the floor may be noisy (even a motor whine in the background may be the source), the audio detection may be maxed out. If it's an external amplifier (from the mic) look at changing its changing its higher frequency component (rolloff response). That not being the case, then address the microphone itself and the way you are using it.

It would be helpful to know just what is intended with the application.

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