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Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

01/24/2008 11:58 PM

can anybody explain, what is different syncronous and asyncronous generator?

when we use a synchronous generator and an asynchronous generator?

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

01/25/2008 12:38 AM

Let me set up a thought experiment with some definitions.

A "machine" has a shaft for rotational energy input/output and electric
terminals for electric energy input/output. If it takes electric energy, it
is "motoring;" If it gives electric energy, it is "generating."

A synchronous generator rotates an electromagnet within coils generating three-
phase alternating current. All by itself, it is not "synchronized" with
anything.

So let's have two steam-turbine synchronous generators put in parallel, with
both turning at 3600 revolutions per minute (rpm). Now, the generators must
both turn at the same speed. If one loses steam completely, it will motor at
3600 rpm pulled along by the other generator working harder. But let's put the
steam back, and have the two turning as generators. The point is, either
machine can only generate or motor at 3600 rpm.

Picture a third synchronous generator with a diesel engine attached as a
potential prime mover. I must start the engine and have it turning at 3600 rpm
before I parallel this third machine. If I feed enough fuel, it will join the
other steam-powered generators and share the load at 3600 rpm. This is the
synchronization aspect. This "doubly-excited" machine (DC on the rotor; AC on
the stator) can only participate in average energy conversion at 3600 rpm. It
must be synchronized.

Can we parallel a fourth machine that does not have to be synchronized? Yes.
I attach a two-pole squirrel-cage induction motor to another prime mover --
this time, a windmill propeller.

I parallel the four machines, and the induction motor begins spinning the
propeller at a speed less than synchronous speed -- say, 3200 rpm. The
induction motor is acting as an asynchronous motor. Suddenly, the wind picks
up big time, and the propeller, instead of taking energy, begins pumping
mechanical energy into the motor. Now the speed is 4000 rpm, and the induction
motor is now acting as an asynchronous generator. Any speed above 3600 rpm
will result in generation.

Being singly excited (AC on the stator) allows the induction machine to
generate or motor at any speed. Above 3600, it generates. Below, it motors.
There's your asynchronous generator. But it must work with other machines, at
least one of them one that is doubly excited.

This is not an easy concept to describe in words. I'm sure good animations
from those with the talent could do it better.

Larry Skarin

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

02/04/2008 12:13 PM

Wind mills don't propel anything!

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

01/25/2008 9:30 AM

Wikipedia entry on Electrical Generation has links to explain.

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

01/25/2008 10:52 PM

In ac Rotating machines the field revolves at a speed determined by the polarity of the machine and supply frequency.A 2pole machine at 50Hz will have syn. speed of 3000RPM, a 4pole 1500RPM and so on.A synchronous machine is one where the rotor runs at the same speed as the field ie no slip between the field and the rotor which is normally achieved by having a DC winding on the rotor and exciting i with DC Voltage .

On the contrary in a asynchronous machine the rotor lags the field by a differential known as slip which depend upon the rotor parameters like its resistance etc.It is because of the slip the rotor is able to move.When the machine is running as motor slip is negative and rotor is running at a lower speed .When the rotor is run at a higher speed by some means above the synch. speed the voltage in the stator reverse and power flows out.The slip is positive and above sync.speed.This a happens in wind mills a typical application.The frequency of generate power will not be exactly 50 or 60Hz as in th case of syn . machine which are predominantly used in power generation.An asynchronous machine is more rugged and less maintenance compared to a syn. machine.It is less complicated as a system as only one excitation is required and eliminates other components like dc source, exciter etc.

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

02/29/2008 8:38 AM

Synchronours geneartor is nothing but an alterantor wihich is doubly excited ie. AC supply runs msut be required along with DC for exciation.

Synchrnous Speed with defined terminalogy of Ns which for induction machine. If Slip is more than one then the Machnie runs as Induction Generator.

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

08/13/2008 8:21 AM

what if DC voltages is applying to the asynchronous machine, will it work? how do the winding resistance be?

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Re: Synchronous and Asynchronous machine

09/03/2008 6:54 AM

No, I'm afraid I can't explain the difference. Hope that helps!!

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