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How do I calculate shock loading

01/29/2008 5:48 PM

I have a simple vertical "lifting" machine that I was told the brake failed due to the excessive shock load on first use. Consider a gearmotor mounted to a shaft at the top with a loop of roller chain driving along at 60 FPM (12inch/sec) with a load of 5000 lbs hung off the chain. The load is on the way down. The operator hits the e-stop button stopping the unit abruptly (1/8 second?). How do I calcuate the impact load being generated so I can relate that back to the torque being transmitted at the gearmotor brake?

That is the information that started my research, field inspection provided the real answers. The brake had been wired incorrectly and electrically burnt internal parts causing the brake to fail.

The formula I tried to apply was F=M (V2-V1) / (T2-T1) where V1 = max speed = 12"/sec, V2 = Slow speed = 0, T1 = begining time ??= 1 sec ??, T2 = ending time = 1/8 sec?? The time variables have me confused. The calculation yeilds loads that should tear the machine structure apart, bend shafting.... I have built 100's of these machnes and not had mechanical failures due to e-stops. So my calcs must be off somewhere. Help - what have I missed applied ? My feeling is the 1/8 sec to stop is actuallythe calc of (T2-T1).

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Re: How do I calculate shock loading

01/30/2008 10:55 PM

begginning time should be 0 (Zero) t2-t1 is 1/8 seconds absolute. inreality -1/8 second. the calculation is deceleration not velocity.

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01/30/2008 11:25 PM

think a little differently. what additional G loading is needed to stop in 1/8 sec from that speed? 2A*s= (V2*V2)- (V1*V1). V1 = 1 ft/sec, V2 =0 s= 1/(8*2)ft assumes uniform deceleration over the 1/8 sec. solve for A (deceleration g load.)

F=M*a = the deceleration load

or use simple comparison: 1 G will slow load 32 ft/sec/sec, or 4 ft/sec in 1/8 of a sec.

you need to slow only 1 ft/sec in the same time, therefore you need only 1/4 G deceleration. Again, simply 1 G exerts 5000#, therefore 1/4 G exerts 1250 # additional load to the lifting system.

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01/31/2008 2:59 AM

remember impulse law?

use it to solve your problem.

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01/31/2008 7:02 AM

The 5000 pounds is a force weight, (mass * acceleration due to gravity). The mass which you must decelerate is 5000lbf/32.2 ft/s^2 = 155 lbm. Your formula should then be

F = 155 lbm * (1ft/s / 1/8 s)

F= 155 * 8

F = 1240 lbf

This is in addition to the weight due to gravity, for a total force of 6240 lbf.

I believe this is correct.

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01/31/2008 9:00 AM

This issue comes up periodically in my work. My problem is always with the stopping time. The questioner speculates on 1/8th of a second, but, how do we know without some time lapse photography? And it's critical to know as this is the ultmate determining factor.

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01/31/2008 12:13 PM

Hello,

I calculate like this: (in metric)

Mass = 5000 lbs / 2.205 = 2267.6 kg. vel = 12" /s = .305 m/s.

Impulse and Momentum. Impulse = resultant force * t in sec; and Momentum = M*v,

Momentum: 2267.6 kg * .305 m/s = 691.6 kg.m/s, this equals R*t.

Resultant force R = 691.6 kg.m/s / 0.125 sec. = 5532.9 kg * 2.205 = 12200 lbs.

It was pointed out before that the time is crucial. If the 1/8 second changes the result will be different. However, I am not sure how some people calculated some 1250 lbf?

Rolf

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01/31/2008 12:19 PM

Sorry, I guess I made a mistake.

The answer above is in Newton not kg. Dividing by 9.81 results in 1243 lbf.

My apologies. I was answering too fast. Rolf

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01/31/2008 4:55 PM

First of all, Thank you all for replying so fast.

I found the my first error in that the extremely high forces I calculated were due to having changed to inch/sec and therefor had inch-pounds not foot pounds. A 25% increase in load due to emergency stop would not exceed my brakemotor selection given a healthy safety factor that was applied.

The time of reaction, 1/8 sec was dirived by two means. 1st, observation of the load's travel distance after appling the Estop. It appeared to travel approximately an inch and a half . 2ndly, the gearmotors manufacturing specs. Both of which are still only approximations and gives a good starting place. I know the machine is not drifting much further so the time is not greatly increased and I know it is drifting some so it is not instantainous.

Again thank you all for your inputs. Ken

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