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Where does E=MC^2 come from?

05/03/2006 10:45 AM

In the movies, a spaceship traveling faster than the speed of light leads to time travel. In real life, it's impossible, at least according to general relativity. The problem is that when an object with mass is moving at high speeds, it's mass increases. This is shown by the equation:
M=Mo*gamma

where

gamma=(1/(1-(v/c)^2))^.5

So as v approaches infinity, M approaches infinity. You can think of mass as a resistance to acceleration, since the larger the mass of an object, the more force required to accelerate it:

F=Ma

The problem with this is that neither Mass nor Energy are conserved, two important early laws of physics. The solution was that Mass is a form of energy:

E=MC^2

Does anyone know the derivation of this? I can't find it and I'm interested. I'm talking the actual math with all the steps included. I think Conservation of Energy is used and there is a Taylor Series involved somewhere if that helps.

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Look at this

05/03/2006 4:38 PM

Although he does not integrate to the final form, here is the math. http://www.karlscalculus.org/einstein.html

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Re:Look at this

05/03/2006 5:25 PM

That is a great link and exactly what I was looking for, thanks.

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Re:Look at this

05/04/2006 9:47 AM

Karl's derivation is even more gooder than the Wikipedia link (meaning more readable)! Thanks for the enlightenment!

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Special Relativity

05/04/2006 9:41 AM

Wikipedia has a good (meaning readable) treatise on Special Relativity

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Special Relativity

05/04/2006 11:19 PM

For "all the math", I suggest you look at Taylor & Wheeler's Classic book, Spacetime Physics, W.H. Freeman, 1966

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Energy = Mass times the velocity of light squared?

05/05/2006 9:14 PM

If mass increases when an object approaches the speed of light relative to another object, where do the extra atoms come from? If the object that was considered to be speeding through space became the frame of reference for a stationary object, would the previous object that was the frame of reference suddenly expand? How fast is gravity? Is it possible that today's mathematical laws are based on erroneous assumptions? If you want to know where e=mc2 came from, check this out: http://users.isp.com/retic/physics/hoax.htm

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Re:Energy = Mass times the velocity of light squar

05/10/2006 4:46 PM

You asked "where do the extra atoms come from?"

It's important to understand what mass is. Technically mass is what causes gravity (by bending space around it). So when relativity says that an object gains mass, it's saying that exactly the same number of atoms in the material produces a much greater gravitational force (bends space more).

I'm not sure on your second question.

How fast is gravity?

Gravity propagates at the speed of light. Here's how you picture it. Imagine you have a 1Kg mass. The 1Kg bends space around (Like a bowling ball on a mattress, but in 3d). Now imagine you double the mass instantly to 2Kg. Suddenly space is bent a lot more. The increased bending of the space starts from where the mass was increased and propagates outwards in all directions at the speed of light (this is a gravitational wave).

Is it possible that today's mathematical laws are based on erroneous assumptions?

They aren't wrong, they just aren't fundamental. There is a very important difference. Relativity has been proven to a very high precision by experiment, confirming the theory.

http://users.isp.com/retic/physics/hoax.htm

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